What Pressure is Needed for a Specific Area of Tire Contact?

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The discussion centers on calculating the area of contact for a car's tires based on their weight and gauge pressure. The user initially attempts to determine the contact area by dividing the car's weight by four and converting pressure units, but ends up confused about the calculations. They realize the importance of distinguishing between absolute and gauge pressure, noting that gauge pressure is what supports the car's weight. Despite efforts to solve the problem, the user expresses frustration over their misunderstanding. The conversation highlights the common confusion between absolute and gauge pressure in physics problems.
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Homework Statement



The weight of your 1205 kg car is supported equally by its four tires, each inflated to a gauge pressure of 35.7 lb/in.^2.

a) What is the area of contact each tire makes with the road? (in m^2)
b) What gauge pressure is required to give an area of contact of 113 cm^2 for each tire? (in lb/in^2)

Homework Equations



Pgauge = P - Patmosphere

Pressure = Force/Area

The Attempt at a Solution



I actually went to my professor for help on this one, hehe. He told me that since the weight is equally supported, I just had to make sure that the force is divided by four. So I did that. First I found the real 'P'.

35.7 = P - 14.7
P = 50.4 lb/in^2

Since they wanted the area of contact in meters, I decided to convert the pressure into N/m^2.

50.4 lb/in^2 x (1.01e5 N/m^2 / 14.7 lb/in^2) = 346285.7143 N/m^2 (we're going to let that equal to X to make it simpler)

Now that I had the pressure and the force, all I should do is plug it into the definition of pressure.

P = F/A
X = (1205 x 9.81 / 4) / A
A = 2955.2625 / X
A = 0.00853 m^2

This isn't the answer, though, and I'm confused as heck. This was how my professor explained it to me, and it's wrong. o_o

For part b, I should theoretically just work backwards. First, I convert cm^2 to m^2.

113 cm^2 x (1 m^2/10000 cm^2) = 0.0113 m^2

P = F/A
P = 2955.2625/0.0113
P = 261527.6549 N/m^2 x (14.7 lb/in^2 / 1.01e5 N/m^2) = 38.064 lb/in^2

Pgauge = P - Patmosphere
Pgauge = 38.064 - 14.7
Pgauge = 23.364 lb/in^2

This is also the wrong answer. :/
 
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A thought on this, I may be completely wrong:

You use the absolute pressure P for your calculation? But the atmosphere is also pressing on the outside of your tires. Maybe the solution is to just use gauge pressure? I don't know.
 
katchum beat me to it: your tires already have one atmosphere of pressure inside them when they're "flat". It's the difference between the pressure inside and outside of the tire wall that matters; the gauge pressure is what supports the car's weight.
 
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I hate myself so much sometimes. :( But thank you so much for the help. Seriously. I was ready to punch myself in the eyeball from this problem.
 
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Nghi said:
I hate myself so much sometimes. :( But thank you so much for the help. Seriously. I was ready to punch myself in the eyeball from this problem.

Don't beat yourself up over it: the students I work with had a similar problem a week or so ago and I had to stop and think a moment as to whether it was the absolute or the gauge pressure that mattered. Different problems may require the use of one or the other...
 
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