What’s gone wrong with my derivation of the Lorentz Factor?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Lorentz factor in the context of special relativity. The original poster expresses confusion regarding an expression that appears incorrect due to a sign discrepancy in the derivation involving the speed of light and relative motion.

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  • Participants explore the implications of different frames of reference, questioning the assumptions made about time in stationary versus moving frames. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between distance, time, and the speed of light in the context of the Lorentz factor.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's derivation, providing clarifications and questioning the validity of certain assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of time dilation and the relationship between the variables involved, though no consensus has been reached.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions of variables in different frames of reference and the assumptions regarding the constancy of the speed of light. The original poster acknowledges that their work is not presented clearly, which may contribute to the confusion in the discussion.

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Trying to derive the Lorentz factor
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I’ve gotten something that looks almost correct, but the expression in the root is 1 + v^2/c^2 instead of minus. I understand intuitively why my answer is wrong, but don’t know where mathematically. Could someone please help me see where I went wrong? Thank you!

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If any clarifications are needed, I’m more than happy to make them! I understand my work isn’t the cleanest looking.
 
ryan2 said:
If any clarifications are needed
You might reveal which variable is in which frame of reference ...

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BvU said:
You might reveal which variable is in which frame of reference ...

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The left hand side pertains to the stationary one, and the right to the moving one. The variable x represents the Lorentz factor(it should have been on the right). D1 is common between the two, and I simplified it to c*t.
 
ryan2 said:
I simplified it to c*t.
What is t ?
 
Sagittarius A-Star said:
What is t ?
The time it takes for light to make it from the bottom to the top of the vertical distance, from a stationary frame. Is it incorrect to assume it would remain the same for the moving frame?
 
ryan2 said:
The time it takes for light to make it from the bottom to the top of the vertical distance, from a stationary frame. Is it incorrect to assume it would remain the same for the moving frame?
It is incorrect.

In your first (left) diagram, light travels a distance D at speed v [edit - that should of course say 'at speed c'] So you can find how long it takes.

In your second (right) diagram, light travels a distance bigger than D - but at the same speed (since the speed of light is constant). So the time taken is longer than for the first diagram.

Read about 'time dilation'.
 
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ryan2 said:
Is it incorrect to assume it would remain the same for the moving frame?
Yes. The light moves with ##c## along the diagonal path. In a light-clock the light-pulse moves forth and back between the mirrors within one period of the clock, so I call 1/2 of this period of the moving clock ##t_m##. Analog for the stationary clock: ##t_s##.

##c^2{t_s}^2 + v^2{t_m}^2 = c^2 {t_m}^2## (theorem of Pythagoras)

##\gamma = t_m / t_s##
 
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