What's the best advanced physics textbook for high school?

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The discussion revolves around finding an advanced physics textbook suitable for high school students preparing for university-level physics. Participants explore the need for a strong foundational understanding of physics concepts while considering the level of mathematics the student is comfortable with, particularly calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a textbook that provides a strong foundation in physics, with clear and thorough explanations, suitable for self-study.
  • Another participant questions whether the desired book should strictly adhere to high school or university entrance standards or cover material from a more advanced perspective.
  • A participant expresses concern about the lack of suitable non-calculus based physics textbooks and suggests that understanding calculus is essential for grasping fundamental concepts.
  • Some participants recommend specific textbooks, such as "A-level Physics" by Roger Muncaster and "Physics" by Halliday & Resnick, noting that the latter requires some calculus knowledge.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of calculus for understanding certain physics concepts, with a participant emphasizing that without calculus, explanations may be less rigorous.
  • Questions arise regarding the minimum calculus requirements needed to effectively study physics at a higher level.

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Participants generally agree that a solid understanding of calculus is important for advanced physics study, but there is no consensus on the availability of suitable non-calculus based textbooks. Multiple competing views on the best approach to selecting a textbook remain.

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Participants express varying levels of comfort with mathematics, particularly calculus, which influences their recommendations. There is acknowledgment of the limitations of certain textbooks based on the reader's mathematical background.

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Please physicsforums members, I would like help to find an advanced level textbook that covers up high school physics up to university entrance or maybe beyond that a bit.
I would like a book that provides a very very strong FOUNDATION in physics.
A one that provides clear, thorough, novel, deep and powerful expalantions.
A one that will make me very confident with the principles and the essentials.
I'm basically familiar with most of the physics topics so I would like it to be at an advanced level.

By the way,
I'm self studying physics, I don't know if that really matters when choosing a book.
Thank in advance.
 
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Just to clarify, do you want a book exclusively written to a rigorous high school/uni entrance standard, pretty much only covering the material as you would be expected to know in the course? Or one which covers high school-esque material but from a more advanced standpoint, encompassing and stretching beyond the course content? Also it would be useful if you could tell us what level of mathematics you have covered, as that will greatly influence the options available to you.
 
IDValour said:
Just to clarify, do you want a book exclusively written to a rigorous high school/uni entrance standard, pretty much only covering the material as you would be expected to know in the course? Or one which covers high school-esque material but from a more advanced standpoint, encompassing and stretching beyond the course content? Also it would be useful if you could tell us what level of mathematics you have covered, as that will greatly influence the options available to you.

I'm still a beginner in calculus, so I don't think I will be comfortable with a calculus based book.By the way, I'm very good at algebra and trigonometry.
I've studied all physics topics before from terrible textbooks and with terrible teachers. So I have lots of problems with the basics and essential principles.
But at the same time, I want an advanced high school book that goes beyond the normal high school physics level to maybe college level.
I want to build a strong foundation.
I want a book with thorough,clear,sharp,thorough,intuitive and novel explanations.
And full of misconception clarifications.
And with justification to all concepts, ideas and laws, and not just throwing ideas.
I respect and appreciate your reply and your help. :):)
 
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NewtonsFellow said:
I'm still a beginner in calculus, so I don't think I will be comfortable with a calculus based book.By the way, I'm very good at algebra and trigonometry.
That's a problem. There are basically two types of college physics courses: engineering (calculus-based) and "physics for poets" (noncalculus based). Without at least some knowledge of calculus on the reader's part, the explanations have to be a lot more wordy and "hand-wavy." Some very basic concepts, such as the relationships between position, velocity, and acceleration, only make sense if you understand the calculus concept of the derivative.
NewtonsFellow said:
I've studied all physics topics before from terrible textbooks and with terrible teachers. So I have lots of problems with the basics and essential principles.
But at the same time, I want an advanced high school book that goes beyond the normal high school physics level to maybe college level.
I want to build a strong foundation.
I want a book with thorough,clear,sharp,thorough,intuitive and novel explanations.
And full of misconception clarifications.
And with justification to all concepts, ideas and laws, and not just throwing ideas.
I respect and appreciate your reply and your help. :):)
Based on your requirements, I don't think such a book exists. My advice is to get up to speed with the math (i.e., calculus) before you attempt to tackle engineering physics.
 
Having given it some thought I have to concur with Mark and say that I think you're going to struggle in attempting to find any very clear non-calculus based Physics textbooks. You could perhaps try some of the books used in the UK's modern A-level physics course, which is now calculus free, but to be frank it would serve you better to first learn some elementary calculus. From the perspective of that being achieved a few options then open up to you - I would strongly suggest that "A-level Physics" by Roger Muncaster be taken into consideration. As a book it requires only limited calculus and whilst being written for a slightly older specification (I'd argue this is to its benefit as opposed to its detriment) it still delivers an appropriately thorough and lucid treatment of the subject. Of course depending on where you are located I cannot vouch that it will align perfectly with your course content. Is it Physics you seek to study at Univeristy? If so you could begin to look even further beyond the aforementioned text and at books like "Physics" by Halliday & Resnick (especially the older editions) which offer a reasonable treatment of some of the material covered in a 1st year Undergraduate course, though this would necessitate developing your skills with calculus further.
 
IDValour said:
Is it Physics you seek to study at Univeristy? If so you could begin to look even further beyond the aforementioned text and at books like "Physics" by Halliday & Resnick (especially the older editions) which offer a reasonable treatment of some of the material covered in a 1st year Undergraduate course, though this would necessitate developing your skills with calculus further.
I thought of mentioning this book, but didn't. I still have my Halliday & Resnick from college years. It's the 2nd printing of the 1960 edition, and I bought it used in 1971 for $12.40. No doubt it's a bit more these days.
 
Mark44 said:
My advice is to get up to speed with the math (i.e., calculus) before you attempt to tackle engineering physics.

What are the minimum calculus requirements ?
 
NewtonsFellow said:
What are the minimum calculus requirements ?
Differentiation and integration.
 
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