What's the Flaw in this Algebraic Proof?

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The discussion revolves around identifying flaws in an algebraic proof that leads to the incorrect conclusion that 2 equals 1. The problem involves manipulating equations under the assumption that two variables, x and y, are equal.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants examine the steps of the proof, particularly the transition from (x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y) to x+y=y, questioning the validity of dividing by (x-y) when it equals zero.

Discussion Status

Several participants have pointed out the critical error in the proof related to division by zero, leading to a consensus on the nature of the mistake. There is an ongoing exploration of how to articulate the reasoning behind the algebraic restrictions involved.

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Participants note that the proof's assumptions lead to a division by zero, which is a fundamental restriction in algebra. The discussion highlights the importance of recognizing such constraints in mathematical manipulations.

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Homework Statement


guys ,it says that what's wrong with following proof ? let's see if x=y ,then

x2=xy
x2-y2=xy-y2
(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)
x+y=y
2y=y
2=1

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we know that if ax=ay x=y only and if only a is not zero ,but how to say this in "proof" language ? sory if look stupid ..im just kid in math ..hehe ,thanx
 
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(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)
x+y=y

This is where it goes wrong. Tell me how do you go from the first to the second step, then tell me what x-y is.
 
dianzz said:
know that if ax=ay x=y only and if only a is not zero ,but how to say this in "proof" language ?
This is satisfactory:

[tex]ax=ay[/tex]

[tex]x=y , a\neq 0[/tex]


dianzz said:
(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)
x+y=y

This step is where your problem occurred. Since you restricted the algebra to y=x, you cannot do this step because it is dividing by 0.
 
Well there's a problem with the proof. The third line (x-y), we know that is 0 so you have 0 = 0 immediately.
 
thanx man ..sorry if I am not reply immediatly ..but for me the conclusion there is a restriction in algebra,right ?? ..how can the manipulation allow that ..
 
(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)
x+y=y
To go from the first equation to the second, you divide both sides of the first equation by x - y. This is not allowed, because x - y = 0, by assumption ("Let x = y"). You cannot divide by zero. Period.
 
its very clear right now ..biG thanks all of u
 
You should tried like:
(x+y)(x-y)=y(x-y)

(x+y)(x-y)-y(x-y)=0

(x-y)(x+y-y)=0

(x-y)x=0

So x=0 or x-y=0
 
This is one of a number of fallacious "proofs" that end in some obviously false conclusion. All of them have one or more steps that are not allowed (like division by zero) that make the erroneous conclusion seem valid. Other examples I've seen use integration or differentiation to arrive at a similar conclusion.
 

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