Whats the point of transistors?

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The discussion revolves around the role and advantages of transistors compared to diodes in logic circuits and computing applications. Participants explore the functionality of transistors, their efficiency, and their historical context in computing technology.

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  • Some participants argue that transistors are active control elements, essential for applications like amplification, which cannot be effectively achieved with diodes alone.
  • Others point out that diodes have a forward voltage drop that limits their effectiveness in cascading logic gates, necessitating voltage amplification that transistors can provide.
  • One participant highlights that transistors can be miniaturized and operate on much lower power compared to vacuum tubes, making them more suitable for modern computing.
  • Another participant mentions that while diodes can be used to create logic gates, they may not be sufficient for more complex circuits like shift registers.
  • Some contributions emphasize that the transistors used in modern CPUs differ significantly from traditional transistors, offering lower consumption and faster switching capabilities.

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Participants express differing views on the sufficiency of diodes for all logic gate applications, with some asserting that transistors are necessary for certain functionalities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the comparative merits of transistors versus diodes in specific contexts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the capabilities of diodes versus transistors, particularly in complex circuit designs. The historical context of vacuum tubes versus transistors is also noted but not fully explored.

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Since you can make all the logic gates with diodes instead, what is the point of transistors considering they take more semiconductor material to construct?

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Jd0g33 said:
Since you can make all the logic gates with diodes instead, what is the point of transistors considering they take more semiconductor material to construct?

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Transistors are active control elements. Try making an amplifier with diodes.
 
I see, so they pass a higher voltage with a lower trigger voltage. But why are they used in CPUs? Is it just more energy efficient?
 
The problem is that the output of a logic gate using diodes will have a lower voltage than the input, because of the forward voltage drop of diodes.. This is bad if you need to use the output from one gate to feed the input of the next one. You'll need voltage amplification for that.
 
Jd0g33 said:
I see, so they pass a higher voltage with a lower trigger voltage. But why are they used in CPUs? Is it just more energy efficient?
Amplification of signal is just one use to which transistors can be put.

When transistors are used to fashion logic circuits, the ability of a transistor to turn on and off is quite handy.

Prior to transistors, vacuum tubes were used for signal amplification and to interrupt signals by turning on and off. Early computers were constructed using vacuum tubes, but these machines were huge, required kilowatts of power to function, and gave off large quantities of heat. Tubes also tend to have a limited service life and burn out, requiring their replacement.

Transistors avoid the problems of using tubes to make computing devices. Unlike tubes, transistors can be miniaturized, can run on a minuscule amount of current, and can function essentially forever, as long as they are not damaged by static electricity.

Since transistors are made from sand, they are literally "dirt cheap", unlike tubes. By being able to be made so small, millions of transistors can be placed on a tiny sliver of semiconductor material and you don't have to wire all these transistors together, unlike tubes.

Since you can make all the logic gates with diodes instead, what is the point of transistors considering they take more semiconductor material to construct?

It's not like we're going to run out of sand anytime soon. :wink:
 
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Jd0g33 said:
Since you can make all the logic gates with diodes instead, what is the point of transistors considering they take more semiconductor material to construct?

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Do you really mean ALL logic gates can be made with DL gates?

I had thought the next step up to DTL was necessary for such gates as NOR and NAND.
 
Amplification of signals and easy control of circuits are the strongest points of modern transistors.
 
The 'transistors' actually used in CPUs are not really the same old transistors you could compare to diodes. Less consumption (mostly only when it's switching), faster switching, lower logic voltages...
All the better: on the semiconductor (miniaturized) they are not necessarily any more complex than diodes...
 
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Apparently the OP hadn't done much research as to what is required to make the world go around or this question would not have been asked. Just from a digital perspective diode logic won't go very far. Try making a shift register with diodes.
 
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