When does the vector potential A affect the E field?

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The discussion focuses on the conditions under which the vector potential A influences the electric field E, particularly in the equation E = -∇V - ∂A/∂t. The second term is non-zero when the vector potential A is time-dependent, which occurs when the magnetic field B is also time-dependent due to changing charge distributions or currents. The conversation references Jefimenko's equations and provides an example of free plane-wave modes in the electromagnetic field, illustrating the relationship between A, E, and B. It concludes with a clarification regarding the conditions under which the time derivative of B vanishes, emphasizing the importance of Maxwell's equations. Understanding these relationships is crucial for grasping the role of vector potentials in electromagnetism.
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This is probably fairly simple, but I have a hard time to grasp the concept of the vector potential A in electromgnetism. Especially, in the following equation for the electric field :

\vec{E} = - \nabla V - \frac{\partial \vec{A}}{\partial t}

When does the second term is not 0 ?
 
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When the vector potential is time-dependent.
 
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Orodruin said:
When the vector potential is time-dependent.

Aha, thanks, but that's obvious in the equation. I'm looking to what makes it time-dependent.

EDIT : Well actually, I suppose this is when B is time-dependant ?
 
You need charge distributions or currents that change over time. Otherwise everything can be treated as static.
 
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DoobleD said:
Aha, thanks, but that's obvious in the equation. I'm looking to what makes it time-dependent.

EDIT : Well actually, I suppose this is when B is time-dependant ?
See Jefimenko's equations.
 
As the most simple example take the free plane-wave modes of the electromagnetic field. In the radiation gauge, i.e., with the potentials fulfilling
$$A^0=V=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}=0,$$
You have
$$\vec{A}(t,\vec{x})=\vec{A}_0 \exp(-\mathrm{i} \omega t+\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}),$$
where ##\vec{A}_0 \cdot \vec{k}=0## and ##\omega=c |\vec{k}|##. Then
$$\vec{E}=-\frac{1}{c} \partial_t \vec{A}=\mathrm{i} \omega/c \vec{A}_0 \exp(\cdots), \quad \vec{B}=\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A} = \mathrm{i} \vec{k} \times \vec{A}_0 \exp(\cdots).$$
 
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If the underlying space is simply connected, the time derivative of the vector potential vanishes if the time derivative of the magnetic field vanishes:

##\mathrm{d}_\mathrm{s}B = 0 \Rightarrow B = \mathrm{d}_\mathrm{s} A##, where the subscript s stands for "spatial". Or in other notation ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A} = \vec{B}##. You can pull the time derivative into ##\mathrm{d}_\mathrm{s}##.

The time derivative of ##\vec{B}## vanishes if and only if ##\vec{j} + \frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t} = 0## (in natural units with ##c=1##).

If the underlying space is not simply connected, there does not a priori exist a vector potential, and hence the right side of your equation does not necessarily exist.
 
Thanks for the answers and insights ! It does help.
 
Metmann said:
The time derivative of ##\vec{B}## vanishes if and only if ##\vec{j} + \frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t} = 0## (in natural units with ##c=1##).

That's wrong. According to Maxwell's equations, the time derivative of B vanishes if and only if
$$
\nabla \times \mathbf{E} = \mathbf{0}.
$$
 
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Jano L. said:
That's wrong

Sure, I would edit it, but somehow this isn't possible any longer. But thanks for correcting it.
 
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