When Will the Curse of the Medicine Man Wipe Out a Tribe?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to the population decline of a tribe under a curse, as presented in Simmons' "Calculus with Analytic Geometry." The correct rate of change of the population P is given by the equation dP/dt = -√P, not dP/dt = -√t as initially stated by the user. After correctly integrating and rearranging the equation, the time until the population reaches zero is calculated to be 52 weeks, indicating that the medicine man’s curse is effective but not as lethal as initially presumed.

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Homework Statement


This is a interesting (morbid) problem from Simmons- Calculus with Analytic Geometry.
In a certain barbourous land, two neighbouring tribes have hated one another from time immemorial. Being barbourous peoples, their powers of belief are strong, and a solemn curse pronounced by the medicine man of the first tribe deranges and drives them to murder and suicide. If the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week, and if the population is 676 when the curse is uttered, when will they all be dead?

Intial Conditions
##P(0) = 676##

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{t} = -t^{1/2} ##.

Separating the differential equation,

##dP = -t^{1/2}dt ##,

Then, by intergrating,

##\int dP = - \int t^{1/2}dt ##

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ C ##...(1)

Solving for C at t= (0) or P(0) weeks, when the medicine man uttered his curse,

##676 = -\frac{2}{3} (0)^{3/2} + C ##,
##C = 676##.

Subbing this in (1)

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676 ## ...(2)

Rearanging (2) for t, when P = 0 because the second tribe are all dead,

##0 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676##,
##-676 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}##,
##t = (\frac{2028}{2})^{2/3}= 100.93 = 101## weeks .

Is this correct. Or have I made a massive error? Seems like they need a more powerful medicine man...
 
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Charge2 said:

Homework Statement


This is a interesting (morbid) problem from Simmons- Calculus with Analytic Geometry.
In a certain barbourous land, two neighbouring tribes have hated one another from time immemorial. Being barbourous peoples, their powers of belief are strong, and a solemn curse pronounced by the medicine man of the first tribe deranges and drives them to murder and suicide. If the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week, and if the population is 676 when the curse is uttered, when will they all be dead?

Intial Conditions
##P(0) = 676##

Homework Equations


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None

The Attempt at a Solution



##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{t} = -t^{1/2} ##.

Separating the differential equation,

##dP = -t^{1/2}dt ##,

Then, by intergrating,

##\int dP = - \int t^{1/2}dt ##

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}d+ C ##...(1)

Solving for C at t= (0) or P(0) weeks, when the medicine man uttered his curse,

##676 = -\frac{2}{3} (0)^{3/2} + C ##,
##C = 676##.

Subbing this in (1)

##P = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}+ 676 ## ...(2)

Rearanging (2) for t, when P = 0 because the second tribe are all dead,

##0 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}d+ 676##,
##-676 = -\frac{2}{3} t^{3/2}##,
##t = (\frac{2028}{2})^{2/3}= 100.93 = 101## weeks .

Is this correct. Or have I made a massive error? Seems like they need a more powerful medicine man...
Yes, you have made a massive error.

According to the OP, "the rate of change of the population P of the second tribe is ##-\sqrt{P}## per week", yet you have set your ODE = ##-\sqrt{t}##. Why is that?
 
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No, the equation you need is \frac{dP}{dt}=-\sqrt{P}
 
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Dang. I had this on my first attempt but it just looked wrong and unfamiliar, so played around with the equation, this was the first attempt,

##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{P} = -P^{1/2} ##.
and rearanged it to,

##t = \int \frac{1}{-p^{1/2}}dP = ##.

Is that ok?
 
Charge2 said:
Dang. I had this on my first attempt but it just looked wrong and unfamiliar, so played around with the equation, this was the first attempt,

##\frac{dP}{dt} = -\sqrt{P} = -P^{1/2} ##.
and rearanged it to,

##t = \int \frac{1}{-p^{1/2}}dP = ##.

Is that ok?
Yep, that's what you should start with.
 
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Ok this is not working out,
##t = -2\sqrt{P} + C##
C = 52
##t = -2\sqrt{P} + 52##
##t = 0.##
 
Charge2 said:
t=−2P√+52
This is the correct solution. Substitute P=0 to find t.
 
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52 weeks... not a bad medicine man after all. I on the other hand, need to work more on ode magick.
 

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