Where are the anti-particles in a nuclie?

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The discussion revolves around the nature and origin of anti-particles within atomic nuclei, exploring concepts such as virtual particles, pair production, and the mechanisms behind beta decay and other nuclear reactions. Participants raise questions about the role of anti-particles in quantum mechanics and their relationship to radiation and particle interactions.

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  • Some participants inquire whether anti-particles in nuclei are virtual particles or if they arise from pair production for every particle-antiparticle.
  • It is noted that normal matter does not contain anti-particles, which are associated with anti-matter.
  • Virtual particles typically appear in pairs, annihilating each other without creating net matter or anti-matter.
  • High-energy particle colliders can produce anti-matter, and certain nuclear reactions, including beta decay, can generate anti-matter like anti-neutrinos.
  • Questions arise regarding the mechanisms of anti-particle creation during high-energy collisions and the role of electromagnetic interactions.
  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of photons as their own anti-particles and their relationship to virtual particles.
  • There is a request for clarification on the concept of local U(1) gauge invariance and its connection to the discussion.

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Participants express a range of views and questions regarding the nature of anti-particles, their origins, and the principles governing their interactions. There is no consensus on several points, particularly regarding the specifics of particle interactions and the implications of quantum mechanics.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topics discussed, including the conservation laws that govern particle interactions and the distinctions between real and virtual particles. Some participants express a lack of understanding of certain concepts, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may vary.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring quantum mechanics, particle physics, and the fundamental principles of matter and anti-matter interactions.

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Hello. Where are the anti-particles in a nuclie?Are they virtual particles or are there pair production for every particle-antiparticle? Where do the positron lie in an electron? How does different forms of raditaon account for production of these anti-paricles? For example, how does beta plus decay occur?? I mean how can a positron be emmited?? And how does pair production occur; where does the anti-particle come from or how does it get created?
 
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sudhirking said:
Hello. Where are the anti-particles in a nuclie?Are they virtual particles or are there pair production for every particle-antiparticle?

A lot of questions, maybe this will help a bit.

1. Normal matter (like what we see around us) does not contain anti-particles (which is called anti-matter).

2. Virtual particles normally appear in pairs - a particle and a matching anti-particle - which normally annihilate and leave nothing behind in the way of matter or energy. I.e. no net new matter or anti-matter is created this way.

3. High energy particle colliders (atom smashers) can create anti-matter (as well as matter) which can actually be harnessed for a period of time in the right circumstances.

4. Some nuclear reactions, as well as beta decay of a neutron, generate anti-matter (such as an anti-neutrino - which is a ghostly particle which does not much interact with matter).
 


DrChinese said:
A lot of questions, maybe this will help a bit.

3. High energy particle colliders (atom smashers) can create anti-matter (as well as matter) which can actually be harnessed for a period of time in the right circumstances.

4. Some nuclear reactions, as well as beta decay of a neutron, generate anti-matter (such as an anti-neutrino - which is a ghostly particle which does not much interact with matter).
Thank you for clearing up any doubt, but as you say in particle accelators generating antiparticles, how does taht happen and why does that happen. Obviously, some'thing' is generating the creation of antiparticles. Is it due to the magnitude of the collision which undergo electromagnetic interactions that create antiparticles? If so, how?
 


DrChinese said:
A lot of questions, maybe this will help a bit.
2. Virtual particles normally appear in pairs - a particle and a matching anti-particle - which normally annihilate and leave nothing behind in the way of matter or energy. I.e. no net new matter or anti-matter is created this way.
I thought in Qm (basics) that phtons are generated due to law of conservation of energy and spin... well then wouldn't photons be virtual particles holding a certain degree of magnitude. If so, how can a photon have an antiparticle as it is chargless and massless, and is that antiparticle created just another phton. And doesn't annhilations give off high energy photons..
 


Also, Where do these antiparticles come from when creted from radioactive decay, and more specifically, beta plus decay?
 


1. When ordinary matter collides at very high velocity (near the speed of light), all kinds of particles can emerge from the collision. Some emerging particles can be anti-matter too. There are conservation laws in effect. So mass/energy, charge, and certain other things are conserved in total. But the result does not just depend on electromagnetism, it also depends on the weak nuclear force and sometimes the strong force.

2. Photons are their own anti-particles. Yes, seems a bit weird. But ordinary photons are not considered virtual particles, they are "real".
 


Oh.. ok so due to the conservation of mass, etc, antimatter is formed to hold these principles. ok.. thank you on my ambiguity! Now i also have a lot more questions on quantum mechanics. ANd note, plese when you answer, assume only basic knowledge on EM and Qm , but full on Gravity...

Because photons are massless, does taht create particle-wave duality?
Plese explain Local U(1) - gauge invariance as in another thread i made, i asked this question, though i *coughsadlycough* did not understand one bit..
 


sudhirking said:
Plese explain Local U(1) - gauge invariance as in another thread i made, i asked this question, though i *coughsadlycough* did not understand one bit..

It really would be better to keep that discussion on that thread, rather than getting them all intertwined together.
 


Sorry..but then again science itself is always conencted to all other internal branches
 
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I don't think that's a very good rationale for hijacking another thread. You wouldn't post a message about chemistry in a section titled "botany", would you?

Also, I will not respond to private messages to clarify something that's said on a public thread. (Other may feel the same way) If you have questions, chances are other people do too, and trying to address them one person at a time is horribly inefficient.
 
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The reason for why you don't understand how photons are their own antiparticles is that you perhaps don't even know what antiparticles ARE.

Antiparticles are required to preserved causality in quantum field theory, see Peskin page 27-29
 

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