Where Did the Energy Go in Light Waves When the Universe Expanded?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of the universe's expansion on the energy of electromagnetic waves, specifically questioning where the energy goes when the wavelengths of these waves are stretched. The scope includes theoretical considerations related to energy conservation in cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the expansion of the universe stretches the wavelengths of electromagnetic waves, raising the question of energy conservation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the concept mentioned is related to the conservation of energy law, which applies locally rather than to the universe as a whole.
  • A subsequent participant seeks clarification on the term "locally," prompting a discussion about the conditions under which conservation laws are applicable.
  • One participant suggests that "local" refers to regions where spacetime curvature is negligible, allowing the use of special relativity.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the clarification provided regarding the concept of locality in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of energy conservation in the context of the universe's expansion. There are competing views regarding the applicability of conservation laws on a cosmic scale versus a local scale.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the technical definitions of energy conservation and locality, as well as the dependence on the curvature of spacetime in applying these concepts.

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The expansion of the universe stretches the wavelength of EM-waves. Though the energy equivalence says energy can't be destroyed... so where did the energy go?
 
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Daniel Petka said:
Though the energy equivalence says energy can't be destroyed...

That's not energy equivalence, it's the conservation of energy law. Conservation of energy doesn't apply to the universe as a whole, it only applies locally.
 
1.)Lol that's what I meant sorry
2.)What exactly do you mean by saying locally?
 
I'm not sure about the technical definition of local, but I believe the idea is that it's a small region of space where things like the curvature of spacetime is negligible and the laws of special relativity can be used.

For more info on this topic, see this link: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html
 
Thanks that helped
 

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