Where did the freidman equation come from?

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The discussion centers on the origins and implications of the Friedmann equation, particularly in relation to the Einstein equations and modifications to gravitational theories. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, assumptions, and the relationship between matter and cosmic expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Friedmann equation derives from the Einstein equations under specific assumptions of spatial homogeneity and isotropy with a perfect fluid source.
  • Others question how changes to the Einstein equations might affect the Friedmann equation, suggesting that different modifications could lead to different forms of the equation.
  • One participant mentions that the Friedmann equation can also be derived from Newtonian gravity, indicating that significant changes to the equation would require alterations to gravity at large distance scales.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of matter appearing unexpectedly in the universe and how this relates to cosmic expansion and dark energy, which remains poorly understood.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between the flatness of space, the presence of matter, and the dynamics of space expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of modifying the Einstein equations and the nature of cosmic expansion, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on specific assumptions regarding the nature of gravity and cosmic components, as well as the unresolved understanding of dark energy and its role in cosmic expansion.

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where did the freidman equation come from?
 
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It comes from the Einstein Equations under the assumptions of spatial homogeneity and isotropy with a perfect fluid source.
 


Thanks Bapowell. Would the Freidman equation become far wrong if Einsteins equations were ever significantly changed?
 


keepit said:
Thanks Bapowell. Would the Freidman equation become far wrong if Einsteins equations were ever significantly changed?

Depending on how you change the Einstein Equations, of course the Friedmann equation [note the spelling] would look different. People have been looking at many theories of gravity that modifies Einstein's equations in different ways, for example, you should google f(R) gravity and see how the Friedmann equation changes in that model.
Why do you ask?
 


keepit said:
Thanks Bapowell. Would the Freidman equation become far wrong if Einsteins equations were ever significantly changed?
Doubtful. The first Friedmann equation can also be derived from Newtonian gravity, provided you are working with normal matter and, potentially, a cosmological constant. To get a significant change you need to vary gravity at large distance scales, which is generally considered to be a bit unlikely.
 


Yenchin,
Thanks for your reply. sorry about the spelling.
I was just trying to better understand the validity of the relationship between the flatness of space and the presence of matter and the expansion of space. Would the extra space go back where it came from if more matter was interjected where space has expanded?
 


You want to know what would happen if for some reason matter appeared out of nowhere? It's hard to say, since the driving force of cosmic expansion, dark energy, is not understood so far.
 


Polyrhythmic said:
You want to know what would happen if for some reason matter appeared out of nowhere? It's hard to say, since the driving force of cosmic expansion, dark energy, is not understood so far.
Dark energy was utterly negligible in the early universe, when matter was produced. To understand the production of matter in the early universe, we have to understand inflation, specifically how it ended.
 

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