Where Does Kinetic Energy for Magnetism Come From?

In summary, the iron rod gains kinetic energy when the magnet is brought closer to it because the potential energy in the magnet's field is created when the current source is switched on.
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If,
-There is an iron rod.(It does not have magnetic potential energy at this time)
-I made an electromagnet in a far away place.
-When I bring the magnet closer to the iron rod,the iron rod suddenly gets kinetic energy.Why?

As energy cannot be created,from where does the kinetic energy come from?
 
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The potential energy is created when you switch on the magnet.
 
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More precisely, the energy stored in the electromagnet's field comes from the current source in the circuit that powers the electromagnet. When you switch the current source on, it has to do work against the "back emf" produced by the electromagnet as the current increases. This work ends up as energy stored in the magnetic field.
 
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There is a common follow up question which goes something like...

There is a heck of a lot of iron in the universe. It can't all have gained PE w.r.t the magnet? Wouldn't that be a lot more energy than stored in the magnetic field :-)

Similarly...if you dig a small hole in the ground then rather a lot of matter (eg that building next to the hole) suddenly gained PE w.r.t the bottom of your hole :-)
 
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russ_watters said:
The potential energy is created when you switch on the magnet.
How can you say that energy is created?Do you mean energy in the magnetic field is converted to potential energy?
 
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adjacent said:
How can you say that energy is created?Do you mean energy in the magnetic field is converted to potential energy?
It is created from the electrical energy that is fed to it. Created/converted - either word works. Yes, energy is conserved.
 
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What about this?
CWatters said:
There is a common follow up question which goes something like...

There is a heck of a lot of iron in the universe. It can't all have gained PE w.r.t the magnet? Wouldn't that be a lot more energy than stored in the magnetic field :-)

Similarly...if you dig a small hole in the ground then rather a lot of matter (eg that building next to the hole) suddenly gained PE w.r.t the bottom of your hole :-)
 
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Yes, it can. Just like there's a heck of a lot of GPE associated with most of the rest of the matter in the universe being far away from Earth.
 
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russ_watters said:
Yes, it can. Just like there's a heck of a lot of GPE associated with most of the rest of the matter in the universe being far away from Earth.
That's kinda confusing.Having GPE is understandable because things that created Earth always had mass.But this magnet is created just now.
 
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I see.This is all about magnetic field's energy.Now I understand.I think I'll have to learn more about electromagnetism.Thanks
 
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Magnetism is not an energy in itself. Magnets have a force, and if that force is used to move an object over a certain distance, the energy is called work.

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What is the speed of the magnetic field?
What is we use a permanent magnet?From where does this magnet's field gets energy?(electromagnet's gains its energy from electric current source).But as we see,permanent magnet's is able to lift without getting "exhausted".
 
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adjacent said:
What is the speed of the magnetic field?

Light has both electric and magnetic components.

What is we use a permanent magnet?

I don't understand that question.

From where does this magnet's field gets energy?(electromagnet's gains its energy from electric current source).But as we see,permanent magnet's is able to lift without getting "exhausted".

Read about work and energy. For example..

work (aka Energy) = force * displacement

A fridge magnet does not move so the displacement is zero. This means the energy required is zero. So a fridge magnet does not use any energy when stuck to a fridge.

It's not 100% clear what you mean by "permanent magnet's is able to lift without getting "exhausted". Please give an example so we can explain.
 
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CWatters said:
I don't understand that question.
It was a spelling mistake,it should be what if.
CWatters said:
Read about work and energy. For example..

work (aka Energy) = force * displacement

A fridge magnet does not move so the displacement is zero. This means the energy required is zero. So a fridge magnet does not use any energy when stuck to a fridge.

It's not 100% clear what you mean by "permanent magnet's is able to lift without getting "exhausted". Please give an example so we can explain.
What I meant was this;
If an object is in a distance 'd' form the magnet,it has potential energy which is gained from the energy in the magnet's field.Then the potential energy of the object changes to kinetic energy and then to heat etc..As DaleSpam said,the remaining energy is reduced.Then why doesn't all the remaining energy get's reduced?(i.e. the magnet is able to move infinite iron pieces(if brought close to it)).
 
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adjacent said:
But as we see,permanent magnet's is able to lift without getting "exhausted".
The magnetic field around a permanent magnet follows the same rules as the magnetic field around an electromagnet. It has an energy density determined by the same formula I linked to earlier. The energy in the field limits how much work can be done, so a permanent magnet cannot pick up an unlimited amount of material. Each item that it lifts reduces the total amount of energy in the field. Work must be added to the system to increase the field back to normal.
 
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What is kinetic energy for magnetism?

Kinetic energy for magnetism refers to the energy associated with the motion of charged particles, such as electrons, within a magnetic field. This motion creates a force that is responsible for the magnetic properties of materials.

Where does kinetic energy for magnetism come from?

Kinetic energy for magnetism can come from a variety of sources such as the movement of charged particles in a wire, the rotation of an electric motor, or the spinning of electrons in an atom. Ultimately, it comes from the conversion of other forms of energy, such as electrical or thermal energy.

Why is kinetic energy important for magnetism?

Kinetic energy is important for magnetism because it is the driving force behind the movement of charged particles and the creation of magnetic fields. Without kinetic energy, there would be no magnetism.

Can kinetic energy for magnetism be converted into other forms of energy?

Yes, kinetic energy for magnetism can be converted into other forms of energy. For example, when an electric current flows through a wire, the kinetic energy of the moving electrons can be converted into heat and light energy.

How is kinetic energy for magnetism related to electricity?

Kinetic energy for magnetism is closely related to electricity. In fact, the two are often referred to as two sides of the same coin. This is because the movement of charged particles that creates magnetism is also responsible for the flow of electricity.

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