Where does the less than or equal come from in the proof of density of Q in R?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around a specific proof related to the density of rational numbers (Q) in real numbers (R) as presented in Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis." Participants are examining the reasoning behind a particular line in the proof that involves the less than or equal to (≤) relation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the origin of the ≤ in the proof, specifically questioning the logic behind the statement involving m-1.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the existence of m-1 when m is described as the minimum integer, suggesting that it would be more logical for m-1 to also be the minimum.
  • Several participants discuss their experiences with Rudin's text and consider whether alternative texts might be more suitable for self-study, indicating varying levels of familiarity with analysis.
  • Recommendations for other texts, such as Spivak's "Calculus" and "Advanced Calculus: A Friendly Approach," are provided as potentially more accessible resources for those new to proofs and analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the clarity of the proof and the appropriateness of Rudin's text for beginners. There is no consensus on the specific reasoning behind the ≤ in the proof, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of m and m-1.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of experience with proofs and analysis, which may affect their understanding of the material. The discussion reflects varying levels of mathematical background among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals studying real analysis, particularly those using Rudin's text or similar resources, as well as those seeking guidance on foundational concepts in mathematical proofs.

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Hello,

I have decided to study analysis on my own and am starting with principles of mathematical analysis by rudin.
I am having trouble understanding pg. 9 on the density of Q in R, part b.

It states:
If [itex]x \in R, y \in R[/itex] and [itex]x<y[/itex] the there exists a [itex]p \in Q[/itex] such that [itex]x < p < y[/itex]
Proof:
Since [itex]x<y[/itex], we have [itex]y-x>0[/itex] and the Archemedian Property furnishes a positive integer n such that:
[itex]n(y-x)>1[/itex]
Applying the AP again, to obtain positive integers m1 & m2 such that [itex]m1>nx[/itex], [itex]m2>-nx[/itex]
Then: [itex]-m2<nx<m1[/itex]
Hence there is an integer m such that [itex]m-1 \le nx<m[/itex]...

Can someone explain to me the last line? Where does this less then or equal come from?
 
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MMmm...For being my first analysis book Principles of Mathematical Analysis by Rudin might be a little too hard. Should I study Apostol's Principles of Mathematical Analysis first? Then go back to Rudin's text?
 
Probably depends how much you already know.
 
Calc 1-3. No analysis experience.
 
Yah i need a text for self study. I have no experience with proofs.
 

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