Where would an ideal wire break?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of an ideal straight wire being pulled with equal forces on both sides, eventually breaking at a certain point. The question arises of where the wire would break, and it is determined that it would break from the ends where the force is applied due to a shockwave originating from the ends. The conversation then acknowledges that this is an ideal scenario and in the real world, the wire would break at its weakest point rather than the ends. This highlights the importance of uniformity and the concept that a chain (or wire) is only as strong as its weakest link.
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Heirot
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Here's a no brainer for you guys...

Suppose we have an ideal straight wire lying on the table. Then we pull it with equal forces on both sides. Let's say we start from zero force and then gradually magnify the force. A one point, the wire would break. But, where would it break? As the situation is totally symmetrical, there is no preffered point on it. Would it break into infinitely many pieces? Would it not break at all? In the center?

Thanks...
 
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Considering the wire is homogeneous (i.e hypothetical wire) and 100% brittle; when the force increments, there's actually a shockwave traveling along the length of the wire, now since the shockwave will originate at the ends, i.e the ends will the first to experience the ultimate stress limit, it will break from the ends from where force is applied.
 
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Hm, interesting, I'd never thought of that!
 
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Heirot said:
Hm, interesting, I'd never thought of that!

I understand we're talking about an "ideal" wire here, but "ideal" wires don't actually exist in the real world, so the question is more an exercise in futility.

In the real world, nothing is manufactured to absolute perfection therefore, nothing possesses 100% uniformity in its manufacture or material consistency. This makes it just as likely for the wire to separate anywhere between the two points that are producing the stress. It simply depends upon which point is the weakest, which brings to mind the old adage; "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link". Naturally, this applies to a wire as well.
 

1. Where would the ideal wire break in a circuit?

The ideal wire would break at the weakest point along its length, where the cross-sectional area is the smallest. This is known as the "necking point" and is determined by the material properties of the wire.

2. Can the ideal wire break at any point in a circuit?

No, the ideal wire will only break at the weakest point along its length. This point is determined by the material properties of the wire and cannot be predicted exactly without testing.

3. How do different materials affect the break point of an ideal wire?

Different materials have different properties that affect the break point of an ideal wire. For example, a wire made of steel will have a different break point than a wire made of copper, due to differences in their strength and ductility.

4. Is the ideal wire more likely to break at a certain temperature?

Yes, the ideal wire is more likely to break at higher temperatures due to thermal expansion and changes in material properties. However, this can vary depending on the specific material and its thermal properties.

5. Can the ideal wire break at a specific point due to external factors?

Yes, the ideal wire can break at a specific point due to external factors such as excessive tension, bending, or corrosion. These factors can weaken the wire and make it more likely to break at a certain point.

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