Which Books Are Best for Physicists Learning Manifolds and Differential Forms?

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The discussion centers on recommended books for physicists learning about manifolds and differential forms, emphasizing the need for a balance between rigor and accessibility. "An Introduction to Manifolds" by Loring W. Tu is noted for its prerequisites in real analysis and abstract algebra, raising questions about its suitability for those without such a background. Several other texts are suggested, including Harold Edwards' and John Hubbard's books, which are praised for their intuitive approaches and comprehensive coverage. Participants discuss the importance of building a strong mathematical foundation before delving into more advanced topics, while also considering concurrent study of analysis. Overall, a variety of resources are highlighted to cater to different learning preferences and backgrounds in mathematics and physics.
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Which book/books are a good intro into manifolds? Maybe a book that is both oriented towards a physicist but also includes rigor.
How is this book An Introduction to Manifolds by Loring W. Tu
In the preface it says one year of real analysis and a semester of abstract algebra would suffice as a prerequisite. Would it be to ambitious to attempt to learn manifolds without such a background. If not which books should I study/read before tackling this book?

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One of my favorite newfound subjects. I'll give a few suggestions that are geared towards mathematicians and a few geared towards physicists.

Books geared towards mathematicians:
1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817637079/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by Harold Edwards
This book is fantastic and is not written like just another textbook. He gives intuitive discussions of the material in the first three chapters and then goes on in chapters 4-6 to prove everything thoroughly. He also has a nice chapter on applications, which goes from complex analysis, the Lebesgue integral, and physics, even proving E=mc2. Highly recommend for a first viewing of differential forms.
2) http://matrixeditions.com/UnifiedApproach4th.html" by John Hubbard
I will soon be getting this book. From what I've read of the excerpts, reviews, and table of contents, it looks to be a great book. Hubbard covers all the necessary linear algebra and presents to you calculus on manifolds, while integrating it into vector calculus. I look forward to going through this book. He also has some very nice physical applications, which includes Maxwell's equations.
3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387480986/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by Loring Tu
The more abstract and general of the three books listed here, but it is still accessible to senior undergraduates. This book gives differential forms based upon their general definition, which requires the development of multi-linear and tensor algebra.

Books geared towards physicists:
1) http://count.ucsc.edu/~rmont/papers/Burke_DivGradCurl.pdf" by William Burke
William Burke passed away young, so this book was unfinished by him. I've read there are a lot of mistakes, but it is well worth reading to get Burke's perspective.
2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486661695/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by Harley Flanders
A nice amount of applications of differential forms written for physicists and engineers.
3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486640396/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by Bishop and Goldberg
This is more rigorous than the two books above.

There is also https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817644997/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by David Bachman. I didn't know which heading to fit it under. :) There is actually a thread here where someone wanted to get a group to go through the book and in which Bachman took part in, until mathwonk ran him off.
 
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Sorry. I had missed your edit. If you have had neither analysis nor abstract algebra, then I would say Tu's book will be too much. How much calculus have you had? Are you a math major, physics major, or both? The books by Edwards and Hubbard are geared specifically towards undergraduates.
 
Well I'm math/phys major with a concentration on physics and more applied math. My calc/math background is strong (i.e. apostol level book and vector calculus by colley) Would you suggest I begin with the Hubbard/Edwards book ( I was thinking about this before hand) then after completing them would the book by Tu be a good continuation or still too ambitious?

Based on you suggestions I'm thinking of studying both the Hubbard/Edwards books. After completion would I be able to comprehend the book by Tu or would i still need additional preparation?

In addition, would you suggest I study, concurrently, a book on analysis along side the Hubbard/Edwards?

Thank you very much
 
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n!kofeyn said:
1) https://www.amazon.com/dp/0817637079/?tag=pfamazon01-20 by Harold Edwards
This book is fantastic and is not written like just another textbook. He gives intuitive discussions of the material in the first three chapters and then goes on in chapters 4-6 to prove everything thoroughly. He also has a nice chapter on applications, which goes from complex analysis, the Lebesgue integral, and physics, even proving E=mc2. Highly recommend for a first viewing of differential forms.

Thanks for the recommendation of this book! I had not heard of it before...
 
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Would you suggest I begin with the Hubbard/Edwards book ( I was thinking about this before hand) then after completing them would the book by Tu be a good continuation or still too ambitious?

Based on you suggestions I'm thinking of studying both the Hubbard/Edwards books. After completion would I be able to comprehend the book by Tu or would i still need additional preparation?

In addition, would you suggest I study, concurrently, a book on analysis along side the Hubbard/Edwards?

Edwards' book is older, being at around 40 years old, but it has been updated (sometime in the 90s). It has a nice, warm feel to it, and I have never felt rushed or pressured by the material when reading it. He has some really nice discussions and unique developments, and I really like the end of his book when he discusses applications and math in general. The book isn't too linear, meaning that you can jump around more easily than in most books, which he even encourages in the preface. There is a lot of intuition development.

Hubbard's book is newer (the 4th edition was published just this September), so of course it is probably more modern, but like I said, I haven't received it yet. It does cover a lot more material though and is over 800 pages long (Edwards's book is around 500)! I think Hubbard is probably more comprehensive, and he does have original and unique presentations as well. There is about a 100 page appendix containing the analysis proofs, and I know that he has unique proofs in the text so that some theorems can be accessible to undergraduates. For example, his development of Lebesgue integration (although Edwards has a small section on this as well).

I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Use your library's interlibrary loan if your library doesn't carry them to see which one you like the best. Edwards' book contains the solutions to all exercises in the back of the book, and Hubbard has a separate solutions manual that completely solves the odd numbered problems.

I think you will be better off spending your time learning the above material than analysis. It is very important, but you'll eventually take a course in it, I'm sure. As a physicist, you won't encounter that material as much, and both of the above texts have analysis in them anyway. Be sure to browse the other texts I mentioned as well. They all present something different. Also, there is another book, Advanced Calculus by Loomis and Sternberg, that is well respected. This material is very rich, and so the best way to learn it is to get different perspectives. I learned it from Introduction to Smooth Manifolds by John Lee and also from Loring Tu's book. Now I'm going back to get the more practical and computational understanding that is missing from the abstract texts.
Sankaku said:
Thanks for the recommendation of this book! I had not heard of it before...

No problem Sankaku! It is a really nice and unique text. The same author also wrote a linear algebra text and a few others.
 
Thank you very much n1kofeyn for your very knowledgeable advise
 
I can also highly recommend the book by John Baez (gauge fields, knots and topology)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9810220340/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's very nice to read, very well-written and very accessible. It may not touch on all topics that you are looking for (it's aimed at the fiber bundle construction of gauge fields), but if you get a chance to borrow this in your library you should not hesitate to browse through it. The version I read had a lot of (math) errors in it, so be aware of this.

Note that only the last 1/3rd of this book deals with (quantum) gravity, so even if you're not interested in this topic you're not confronted with it until the end of the book.
 
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I can also highly recommend the book by John Baez (gauge fields, knots and topology)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/9810220340/?tag=pfamazon01-20

It's very nice to read, very well-written and very accessible. It may not touch on all topics that you are looking for (it's aimed at the fiber bundle construction of gauge fields), but if you get a chance to borrow this in your library you should not hesitate to browse through it. The version I read had a lot of (math) errors in it, so be aware of this.

Note that only the last 1/3rd of this book deals with (quantum) gravity, so even if you're not interested in this topic you're not confronted with it until the end of the book.

This book is rather nice, and I plan on going through it myself to pick up the physics. Thanks for mentioning it here. You're right in that it doesn't really delve into the differential form material in depth, but I think once you have learned the material then this is a great way to learn to apply it.

My sort of approach to these things is to learn the math first and then the physics. It may be because I am a mathematician, but I feel that if you have mastered the math, then when learning the physics, the physics is not obscured by the struggle to learn the math. This allows full concentration upon the physics. Like I said above, the material is so rich that there are many different approaches, and they are all interesting.
 
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George Jones said:
At the second-year level, there is also A Course in Mathematics for Students of Physics 1 by Bamberg and Sternberg,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521406498/?tag=pfamazon01-20.

The reviews on Amazon kind of deterred me from getting the book. Is it worth it? Any comments?
 
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iamthegelo said:
The reviews on Amazon kind of deterred me from getting the book. Is it worth it? Any comments?

Bad reviews on amazon tend to be written by frustrated and unprepared students. Read a review by an actual physicist: http://www.ucolick.org/~burke/forms/bamberg.html
 
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This http://www.ucolick.org/~burke/forms/books.html" of William Burke has some nice one to two sentence reviews of books on differential forms.
 
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I'm surprised no one mentioned Burke's Spacetime, Geometry, Cosmology. His Applied Differential Geometry is also fascinating, though it can't really be used as an introductory text as Burke is too elliptical at times (I think he even admits to doing so deliberately.)
 
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Daverz said:
I'm surprised no one mentioned Burke's Spacetime, Geometry, Cosmology. His Applied Differential Geometry is also fascinating, though it can't really be used as an introductory text as Burke is too elliptical at times (I think he even admits to doing so deliberately.)

From my understanding that book is a very watered down approach, which he even used to teach physics to art majors. So it's probably a good surface level book, but it sounds like (again I'm not familiar with the book's actual content) it won't give a good mathematical development. Most of the books above have great motivations, but have the rigorous developments as well.
 
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n!kofeyn said:
From my understanding that book is a very watered down approach, which he even used to teach physics to art majors. So it's probably a good surface level book, but it sounds like (again I'm not familiar with the book's actual content) it won't give a good mathematical development. Most of the books above have great motivations, but have the rigorous developments as well.

The "Physics for art majors" story is very misleading. These must have been art majors with very strong math backgrounds, or "art majors" was an exaggeration for the sake of the story. The book is not as superficial as that makes it sound, and there's plenty of content that would be of interest even to the sophisticated, as is usually the case with anything Burke wrote. I suggest taking a look if your library has it. It's a very nicely produced book as well.
 
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Daverz said:
The "Physics for art majors" story is very misleading. These must have been art majors with very strong math backgrounds, or "art majors" was an exaggeration for the sake of the story. The book is not as superficial as that makes it sound, and there's plenty of content that would be of interest even to the sophisticated, as is usually the case with anything Burke wrote. I suggest taking a look if your library has it. It's a very nicely produced book as well.

I had heard about it before from Burke's website, and I'll definitely try to take a look at it sometime. I thought I had read from Burke's website that he had taught art majors with it, but I remembered wrong. Ends up I read it on an Amazon https://www.amazon.com/review/R3D2RJS9R7KYH3/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm"&tag=pfamazon01-20 for his Applied Differential Geometry book. The reviewer states that he took 4 courses from Burke, and that it was English and theatre majors that he taught from the book.

I didn't mean to downplay the book, but I just meant to state it probably isn't as mathematically rigorous as say the books by Edwards/Hubbard. Though this makes sense since Burke was a physicist. I myself enjoy books that focus on motivation and intuition. Burke said on his website that its got some neat applications.

In the past few days, I came across the book https://www.amazon.com/dp/0226890481/?tag=pfamazon01-20. It's very short and reads very quickly.
 
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Sankaku said:
I have just found that an earlier version (2003) of this is available for free on arXiv:

http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0306194

As Sankaku mentioned this is from 2003, I would just like to further mention that this version of the text is three years younger than the published version. David Bachman, the author who was invited to join this https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=67268", mentions that this version is old and explained he had made significant changes.

Last spring, I was actually able to find a .pdf of the published version through my university library, so it's a possibility other libraries have an electronic version as well.
 
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n!kofeyn said:
As Sankaku mentioned this is from 2003, I would just like to further mention that this version of the text is three years younger than the published version. David Bachman, the author who was invited to join this https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=67268", mentions that this version is old and explained he had made significant changes.

Last spring, I was actually able to find a .pdf of the published version through my university library, so it's a possibility other libraries have an electronic version as well.

Yes, my library only has an electronic version. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I find e-versions difficult to use.
 
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George Jones said:
Yes, my library only has an electronic version. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I find e-versions difficult to use.

Definitely! I was able to "rip" the .pdf file from their interface so that I can use it by actually scrolling or printing more than one page at a time. The interfaces these libraries use are despicable and only allow page by page viewing where you have to click to go to each new page. You can also only print a few pages at a time. My library seems to think this is a solution, but nothing's better than a good math book in your hands.
 
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Hi everybody, what's the general opinion on Munkres' Analysis on Manifolds?

I'm looking at either this book or the book by Edwards for some self-study over winter break. I'm an applied math major, but I'm not turned off by proofs and mathematical rigor; in fact, I prefer books that emphasize such aspects.
 
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Hi everybody, what's the general opinion on Munkres' Analysis on Manifolds?

I'm looking at either this book or the book by Edwards for some self-study over winter break. I'm an applied math major, but I'm not turned off by proofs and mathematical rigor; in fact, I prefer books that emphasize such aspects.

Then go with Edwards's book, at least out of those two. Munkres is preparing the student for the more abstract and technical version of the theory of differential forms, and Edwards' book contains a lot more physical descriptions and applications. Munkres will also require more prerequisites than Edwards.

I haven't looked at it in any real detail, but the Flanders book I mentioned in my first post is supposed to be well known for its nice amount of applications, specifically targeted to engineers and physicists. Although, Edwards is an extremely good introduction to the subject. I received a copy of Hubbard's book today, which is very good as well and comes with lots of proofs and examples.
 
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Thanks for the tips. I've been through a first-semester real analysis course, a linear algebra course, and I've had some basic topology and metric space theory. Does Munkres' demand more prereqs than this? The only basic math class I have not had is a modern or abstract algebra course.

Edwards' book looks quite appealing too, I wish I could get a look at both books in person.
 
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union68 said:
Thanks for the tips. I've been through a first-semester real analysis course, a linear algebra course, and I've had some basic topology and metric space theory. Does Munkres' demand more prereqs than this?
No, it doesn't. You should be able to tackle Munkres perfectly!
 
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union68 said:
Thanks for the tips. I've been through a first-semester real analysis course, a linear algebra course, and I've had some basic topology and metric space theory. Does Munkres' demand more prereqs than this? The only basic math class I have not had is a modern or abstract algebra course.

Edwards' book looks quite appealing too, I wish I could get a look at both books in person.

That should be enough for Munkres' book. You can browse a limited preview of either book on Google Books. This is a great resource. Another thing is that both of these books are available (although illegally) online through either .djvu or .pdf files. I use this to help decide which book I need on a specific topic, if a book has the topics I want, and if I even like the book. Then I usually check out the book from the library or buy the book to support the author. Plus it's difficult to read a math text on the computer and expensive to print it out.
 
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Sankaku said:
I am curious if anyone has looked at:

Tensors, Differential Forms, and Variational Principles
by Lovelock and Rund

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486658406/?tag=pfamazon01-20

An old-fashioned index nightmare approach. Not that there might not be insights to be found here, but it's pretty hard on the eyes. Older books that are still readable are Flanders and Bishop & Goldberg.

Not mentioned so far is Darling's Differential Forms and Connections, which covers some of the most interesting topics.
 
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Dear Ronaldor9,
by all means have a look also at the excellent "Differential Forms" by Steven Weintraub.

A question to the orthers: a lectures notes circulate in the web that were then turned into David Bachman's book. How complete are they? What's more in the book?

Thanks.
Goldbeetle
 
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Does anyone know of a solutions manual to Bamberg and Sternberg? I'm self-studying and I want to make sure I get the right answers.
 
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Not sure if this has been posted but:

http://www.math.cornell.edu/~sjamaar/classes/3210/notes.html

is very easy. Of course, if it's that easy, then maybe it's too watered down?
 
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RedX Thanks,

iamthegelo, I'm also interested in a solution manual for that book if it exists
 
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Daverz said:
An old-fashioned index nightmare approach. Not that there might not be insights to be found here, but it's pretty hard on the eyes.
Thanks for the feedback. I will start with the Bachman pdf instead and then see if I should get the hard copy.
 
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RedX, thanks, the notes whose link you posted are excellent. It's a treatment that is very close to "Differential Forms" by Steven Weintraub but more rigorous. Very good stuff for a beginner (like me...).
 
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I feel compelled to resurrect this great thread.

Goldbeetle said:
...by all means have a look also at the excellent "Differential Forms" by Steven Weintraub.

I am assuming you mean this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0127425101/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I just found an ebook version of this fabulous text.

I really like his approach - it is strangely surprising when you find an author that makes complete sense. I am sure that other books mentioned in this thread will be more rigorous and go deeper that Weintraub, but it is a great introduction for those who have multi-variable Calculus under their belt.
 
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Yes, indeed, that is the book! You can complement/compare it with the notes you find at the link posted by RedX.
 
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The books that annoy me are the ones that start out by cheerfully defining forms as just the things that go under the integral. Head smack desk.
 
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I don't know anything about Shifrin's book but I'd avoid Hubbard's. Hubbards book was written for a freshmen class that had only calc BC and had probally never seen much proofs before. If you fit this description get the book. However the book is slow going. Its "main part" is 660 pages and yet the most important proofs are in the appendix (change of variable,implicit function, stokes). Worse the proofs in the text and in the appendix are amzingly long, Hubbard actually takes 12 full pages to prove Stokes theorem. I would stronbgly recommend reading either Analysis on Manifolds by Munkres or Calculus on Manifolds by Spivak. Munkres actaully treats the subject in greater depth in 300 pages then Hubbard does in 812. I understand why he wrote the book the way he did but I can't recommend it.
 
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N!kofeyn, my apologies for "running off" David Bachman. I think that is inaccurate, but i do recall he asked for corrections on his book and when I took him at his word and pointed out some mathematical errors I had noted, he got angry. I think he stuck around longer than I did however, so you might say he ran me off. I could be wrong.

Anyway I think his book is excellent, the best place I know of to get a real feel for the geometric meaning of differential forms (as measures of oriented volume of "blocks"), and I wish I had refrained from pointing out what were in reality very tiny and subtle errors that would not hinder any student from benefiting from his book. Such errors exist in almost all books, even some of the best and most useful. Lang's famous algebra book abounds with them, as do many other famous and helpful books.

Lesson learned: when people ask for criticism, they usually do not mean it, they really want praise. (Me too.) One of my faults is focusing on the few negative aspects of a situation instead of the many positive ones. This sort of perfectionism makes it hard to actually produce any creative work, and should be avoided as much as possible. Or at least avoided until the last step. After producing a creative work it seems useful to me to go back over it and correct the errors. But when pointing these out in the works of others it helps to be very diplomatic. Producing a creative work takes a lot of effort and displaying it to others afterwards also takes courage, and we should be grateful to these people for helping us learn from them.

Many people including myself, write books which even if they are correct and free from serious false statements, still may have limited usefulness because they are not illuminated by any deep understanding of the subject we are writing about. It is probably thus better to read books by people who really know something worth learning from them even if their treatment contains errors. My notes on the Riemann Roch theorem for example were written before I understood the topic. Still in trying to write up the subject I eventually came to feel I understood it. The main breakthrough was reading Riemann when a translation into English became available.

An outstanding theoretical book on differential forms at least for math students (like myself) is the one by Henri Cartan, all of whose writings are to me a model of perfection, i.e. clear, correct, and succinct. This one is also available in a cheap paperback.

Oh, and Loring Tu is especially famous as a writer whose works are models of clarity. It helps of course to know his clearly stated prerequisites. Still I would suggest one can always learn some thing from Loring.

If you want to share my attempt at explaining something I did not understand at the time fully, there is a section in my free (you get what you pay for) web page algebra notes (math 845-3) near the end, that treats "exterior algebras", i.e. the algebraic aspect of differential forms.

http://www.math.uga.edu/~roy/ (that young kid there was apparently me a longgg time ago.)
 
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mathwonk said:
One of my faults is focusing on the few negative aspects of a situation instead of the many positive ones.

Yeah I remember that. I actually got the impression that you didn't like the book. Glad to hear otherwise!
 
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daverz, those books are telling you the properties that a form should have. i.e. a one form should see a curve and spit out a number, and it should spit out the same number when you change the parametrization of the curve.

this suggests how to define them. I.e. given a smooth curve, you get a smooth family of tangent vectors. hence you get a number in two steps. First by assiging a number to each tangent vector you get a function, then by integration you get a single number.

so you want something that assigns a number to a tangent vector, hence a differential form should be a function on tangent vectors. second, you want the number to be the same when you reparametrize the curve, so you want the fuynction on tangent vectors to get larger when the tangent vector gets larger, i.e. when you run over the curve faster, hence =integrate over a shorter interval, you want to compensate by getting a larger function. hence you want a differential form to be a LINEAR function on tabngent vectors. hence a differential form is a family of linear functions on tangent vectors, i.e,. a "covector field".

or simple mindedly all you need to know about a one form df is that df/dz dz = df. I.e. they are the things that go under integral signs and justify the usual rules for change of variables in integration. since an integral changes by the jacobian determinant of the change of variables, so should the differential form change that way, i.e,. a "form" should be (multi)linear and alternating, like a determinant.
 
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I first got over my fear of differential forms from an article by harley flanders in an MAA book on global differential geometry by ?Chern et al? where he just started calculating with them. I mean who cares if a differential form is a field of alternating n-linear covectors, if all you need to use them is to know that
dx^dy = -dy^dx, hence dx^dx = 0? (and scalars pull out too.) Hence

(dx+dy)^(dx+dy+dz) =

dx^dx + dx^dy + dx^dz + dy^dx + dy^dy + dy^dz =

0 + dx^dy + dx^dz -dx^dy + 0 + dy^dz =

dx^dz + dy^dz.

and more generally (a.dx+b.dy)^(c.dx+d.dy) = (ad-bc)(dx^dy).

so try (adx + bdy + cdz)^(d.dx+e.dy+f.dz)^(g.dx+h.dy+i.dz) = ?

(hint: it should look like a 3by3 determinant.)
 
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I have not read bamberg and sternberg, but i know who they are. sternberg is a brilliant differential geometer at harvard for a long time, and bamberg is a physicist who was considered almost the only excellent teacher in the physics department in the 1960's. He also ahd a sense of humor. I still have a copy of his lab guide to a new piece of equipment, the "turbo encabulatior" fully equipped with something like quasiboscular grammeters tankered to the bendyles.

by scanning their list of supplementary reading this is apparently an advanced book, for harvard students, since they mention loomis and sternberg as parallel reading, and I am gratified to learn they recommend also several of my favorite books on de, such as arnol'd and braun. they also recommend hirsch and smale, which i thought was not well written.

this brings up an unfortunate fact of life. when outstanding researchers take time to write a book, they do not always want to expend adequate time to make it perfectly written. we have to accept flaws in exposition in exchange for the wonderful insights they offer that go beyond those possible for ordinary authors. that may be the case here, although i would have thought bamberg's reputation as great teacher would have mitigated such problems. this applies perhaps to hirsch and smale. I.e. they are tremendous authorities, but i found their book somewhat carelessly written. perhaps i was wrong. arnold's books are both insightful and well written however, as is braun's.
 
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Hey mathwonk, I apologize for my comments in that thread. I was obviously a little angry at something and let my anger flow in an incorrect manner based upon that one thread. I'm sorry for the ad hominem attacks. I remembering being frustrated with some unhelpful/condescending threads in general, as well as a few threads that were shutdown that contained legitimate questions from someone who was curious. Some of my comments may have been valid, but they were marred by silly attacks, and I ended up taking a high brow approach myself, which was the very thing I was attempting to condemn.

Either way, it's great to see so much interest in differential forms!
 
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I don't think he's still angry over what you said 2 years ago, much less remember it...
 
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You should try Spivak's Calculus on Manifolds.
 
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n!kofeyn said:
There is also A Geometric Approach to Differential Forms by David Bachman. I didn't know which heading to fit it under. :) There is actually a thread here where someone wanted to get a group to go through the book and in which Bachman took part in, until mathwonk ran him off.


I just wanted to give a +1 for this book. It's short, and doesn't take much time to work through. It gives a good intuitive understanding of forms, and I would read this book to get a feel for the subject before starting a more advanced and/or rigorous study.
 

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