Which Integral Calculation is Correct?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral of the function (3x+2)(2x+1)^{1/2}. Participants are comparing two proposed solutions to determine which is correct.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different integration techniques, including integration by parts and u-substitution. There is a suggestion to use u=2x+1 instead of u=3x+2 for a simpler approach. Some participants express confusion about the choice of u in integration by parts and whether it affects the outcome.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have worked through the integration steps and are questioning the correctness of their results. There is no explicit consensus on which solution is correct, but there is a recognition of the need to verify results by differentiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of checking assumptions and the potential complexity of integration methods. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in the choice of substitution variables.

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Homework Statement



Which one is correct?

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx = \frac{1}{3} (3x+2)(2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{15} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##

or

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx = \frac{1}{3} (3x+2)(2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{5} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##

?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

Let

##u = 3x+2##

Then

##\frac{du}{dx} = 3##

or

##du = 3 \ dx##

Let

##dv = (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

Then

##v = \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}}##

So

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

##= uv - \int v \ du##

##= (3x+2) \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \int \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} (3 \ dx)##

##= \frac{1}{3} (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \int (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} dx##

##= \frac{1}{3} (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{5} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##
 
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You'll have an easier time with this is you don't integrate by parts. Do a u-substitution instead with u=2x+1. Much easier.

But I worked through your steps I and I got what you got.
 
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Tom Mattson said:
You'll have an easier time with this is you don't integrate by parts.

What integration method I should use?

Tom Mattson said:
Do a u-substitution instead with u=2x+1. Much easier.

Do you mean changing the ##u = 2x + 1## instead of ##u = 3x + 2##?

If so, let me re-work this integration, by part.

##\int (3x + 2)(2x + 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}dx##

Let

##u = 2x + 1##

Then

##\frac{du}{dx} = 2##

Or

##du = 2 \ dx##

####

Let

##dv = (3x + 2) \ dx##

Then

##v = \frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x##

So

##\int (3x + 2)(2x + 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}dx##

##= uv - \int v \ du##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - \int (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x)(2 \ dx)##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - \int (3x^2 + 4x) dx##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - x^3 - 2x^2 + C##

##= x^3 + 4x^2 + \frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x - x^3 - 2x^2 + C##

##= \frac{7}{2}x^2 + 2x + C##

Is it correct?

Because this is an integration by part, why use ##u = 2x + 1## instead of ##u = (2x + 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}##?

Will the result be the same or different?
 
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basty said:
So

##\int (3x + 2)(2x + 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}dx##

##= uv - \int v \ du##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - \int (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x)(2 \ dx)##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - \int (3x^2 + 4x) dx##

##= (2x + 1) (\frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x) - x^3 - 2x^2 + C##

##= x^3 + 4x^2 + \frac{3}{2}x^2 + 2x - x^3 - 2x^2 + C##

##= \frac{7}{2}x^2 + 2x + C##

Is it correct?
No, it's not even close. This is something that you can check for yourself. If you differentiate (7/2)x2 + 2x + C, do you get (3x + 2)(2x + 1)1/2?

When you're doing integration by parts, whatever you choose for u and dv has to multiply to give you the integrand you start with.
basty said:
Because this is an integration by part, why use ##u = 2x + 1## instead of ##u = (2x + 1)^{\frac{1}{2}}##?
You don't. I think that what Tom Mattson had in mind was an ordinary substitution.
basty said:
Will the result be the same or different?
The answer to this should be obvious.
 
I was just thinking u-substitution. u=2x+1, so x=(u-1)/2 and dx=du/2. Seems like less of a hassle to me because you need 2 u-substitutions in your integration by parts anyway.
 
∫(3x+2)(2x+1)^0.5dx
let f'(x) = (2x + 1)^0.5 ==> f(x) = ((2x + 1)^1.5)/ 3
g(x) = 2x + 2 ==> g'(x) = 2
= (2x + 2)((2x + 1)^1.5) / 3 - 2/3∫(2x + 1)^1.5 dx
= (2x + 2)((2x + 1)^1.5) / 3 - 1/3(2x + 1)^2.5 + c
= 1/3((2x + 2)(2x+1)^1.5 - (2x + 1)^ 2.5) + c
 
ARaslan said:
∫(3x+2)(2x+1)^0.5dx
let f'(x) = (2x + 1)^0.5 ==> f(x) = ((2x + 1)^1.5)/ 3
g(x) = 2x + 2 ==> g'(x) = 2
= (2x + 2)((2x + 1)^1.5) / 3 - 2/3∫(2x + 1)^1.5 dx
= (2x + 2)((2x + 1)^1.5) / 3 - 1/3(2x + 1)^2.5 + c
= 1/3((2x + 2)(2x+1)^1.5 - (2x + 1)^ 2.5) + c

g(x) is not (2x + 2) but (3x + 2).
 
basty said:

Homework Statement



Which one is correct?

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx = \frac{1}{3} (3x+2)(2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{15} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##

or

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx = \frac{1}{3} (3x+2)(2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{5} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##

?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

Let

##u = 3x+2##

Then

##\frac{du}{dx} = 3##

or

##du = 3 \ dx##

Let

##dv = (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

Then

##v = \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}}##

So

##\int (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{1}{2}} dx##

##= uv - \int v \ du##

##= (3x+2) \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \int \frac{1}{3} (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} (3 \ dx)##

##= \frac{1}{3} (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \int (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} dx##

##= \frac{1}{3} (3x+2) (2x+1)^{\frac{3}{2}} - \frac{1}{5} (2x+1)^{\frac{5}{2}} + C##

You can easily check for yourself which (if any) of the two answers is correct. Just differentiate both of them and see which (if any) gives you back the original integrand ##(3x+2)(2x+1)^{1/2}##. You should develop the habit of always doing this automatically whenever you do indefinite integrations.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You should develop the habit of always doing this automatically whenever you do indefinite integrations.
I strongly agree.
 

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