Which is the 9th term where do i stop adding?

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The discussion revolves around finding the 9th term and the sum of the first nine terms in the arithmetic series 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25. Participants clarify that the 9th term is 25 and discuss methods for calculating the sum, including both brute force addition and using formulas for arithmetic progressions. A formula to find the sum of the first n terms is derived, with emphasis on understanding the variables involved, specifically that "n" represents the number of terms. The conversation also touches on the recurrence relation for arithmetic progressions, leading to a general formula for the sum. The participants conclude with a shared understanding of the concepts discussed.
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find the sum of the first 9 terms in the series

9+11+13+15+17+19+...

is the 9 t0 or t1?
what is the 9th term?
...21+23+25+27

25 or 27??
 
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The first nine terms are... the first nine terms.

9
11
13
15
17
19
21
23
25

Count them.

- Warren
 
And you have two ways to add them:brute force (simply add the 9 #-s) or elegantly,using the formulas for an arithmetic progression.

Daniel.
 
ok I got that part thanks, the next part says the sum of the first 5 terms can be found by S2=[n(t1+t5)]/2

create a formula to find the sum of the first 8 terms I just replace t5 in the above equation with t8 is this correct?

The next part says create a formula to find the sum of the first n terms how do u do this?
 
Is that "n" the step...?I think so.There's a nice and very old proof for the general formula.Do you know it (has it been taught to you at school...?)?

Daniel.
 
Nope,i checked.That "n" is not the step,but the # of terms.Sorry.

Daniel.

P.S.So in your example that "n" should be first 5,then 8,then arbitrary "n".
 
The common formula for calculating arithmetic series should be in your book, or you should have discussed it? Have you ever seen a general formula?
 
yes i know n is the number of terms

A formula to find the sum of the first 8 terms would be

S2=[n(t1+t8)]/2 where n=8 and t1 and t8 are taken from the series in my first post .

How do u create a formula to find the sum of the first n terms?
Yes I've seen the one in my book there are two sn= (n/2)(a+tn) when d is unknown
and sn=(n/2)[2a+(n-1)d] when tn is unknown? Which one do I put for this question because I think from the previous part that shows how to find the sum of 5 terms and my formula for finding the sum of 8 terms needs to be used to derive sum of first n terms...
 
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There's the simple proof.U can define an arithmetical progression through the recurrence relation:
a_{1}+a_{n}=a_{2}+a_{n-1}

Use that and the trick
S=a_{1}+a_{2}+...+a_{n-1}+a_{n}
S=a_{n}+a_{n-1}+...+a_{2}+a_{1} And simply add:
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2S=(a_{1}+a_{n})+(a_{2}+a_{n-1})+...+(a_{n-1}+a_{2})+(a_{n}+a_{1})

Use the recurrence relation and a simple counting to write
2S=n(a_{1}+a_{n})
S=\frac{n}{2}(a_{1}+a_{n})

Simple,huh...?

Daniel.
 
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Yes thanks I got it! :smile:
 

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