White dwarf collapses into a neutron star and Energy is released

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The discussion revolves around estimating the energy released during the collapse of a white dwarf into a neutron star, focusing on the relationship between mass, radius, and gravitational potential energy. Participants explore theoretical approaches and calculations related to this astrophysical process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to estimate the energy generated in the collapse of a white dwarf with Chandrasekhar mass to a neutron star, expressing uncertainty about relating mass to radius without knowledge of central density.
  • Another suggests assuming uniform density for both stars to calculate total gravitational potential energy, indicating that the radius of the neutron star and the mass can be used for this estimation.
  • There is a discussion about using the relationship ##R\sim M^\dfrac{1-n}{3-n}## to relate mass to radius and the implications of assuming potential energy as the only source of energy released during the collapse.
  • One participant mentions obtaining an energy release estimate of about ##\sim 10^{53}\ \text{erg}##, which is echoed by another participant who arrives at a similar estimate.
  • Bonus questions arise regarding the estimation of temperature and luminosity of the resulting neutron star, with one participant recalling a previous estimate of 17 billion solar luminosities per square meter of the neutron star's surface.
  • Another participant comments on the validity of the constant density approximation for both stars, noting the role of degeneracy pressure in supporting them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of estimating energy release through gravitational potential energy calculations, but there is no consensus on the assumptions regarding energy sources or the accuracy of temperature and luminosity estimates.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights ambiguities in the problem statement and the assumptions made regarding density and energy sources, which remain unresolved. The relationship between mass and radius is also noted as a point of contention.

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Hello everyone.
I am trying to solve a problem whose statement reads as follows:

Neutron stars have radii of ##\sim 10## km. If we assume that before the collapse the nucleus of the white dwarf precursor has a mass equal to that of Chandrasekhar, estimate the energy generated in the collapse.

I've tried to solving it by considering a ##n=\dfrac{3}{2}## polytrope, but no more information is provided and i don't know how to relate mass to the radii with no knowledge of central density (necessary for apply polytropic relations). Any ideas? Thank you and sorry for my bad english
 
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It says "estimate". I would just assume that both stars have a uniform density and calculate the total gravitational potential energy in both cases. You are given the radius of the neutron star and the mass, and you can look up the radius of a white dwarf of Chandrasekhar mass.
 
But how i can relate Mass to Radio, can i use the relationship ##R\sim M^\dfrac{1-n}{3-n}## and then with that initial radii calculate the difference in potential energy between 2 radius?
And why can we assume that potential energy is the only source of energy?
Thanks for you response
 
donielix said:
But how i can relate Mass to Radio, can i use the relationship ##R\sim M^\dfrac{1-n}{3-n}## and then with that initial radii calculate the difference in potential energy between 2 radius?
And why can we assume that potential energy is the only source of energy?
Thanks for you response

Problems like this are intended to test not just your ability to do calculations, but your grasp of the physical processes. The problem is somewhat ambiguous, so you could always ask for clarification. But I would just assume a white dwarf with a mass of 1.4 Msun and a radius of about 10,000 km collapses to a neutron star with a mass of 1.4 Msun and a radius of 10 km. If you assume both the initial white dwarf and the final neutron star have uniform densities, you can calculate the gravitational potential energy (i.e. the binding energy) in both cases, and estimate how much energy is released. What other energy sources did you have in mind? Fusion energy? You could estimate the energy of other sources as well and see how they compare to the gravitational energy released.
 
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Ok phyzguy thank you very much for your answer.
Finally I've considered the mass-radio relationship that I previously mencioned and assumed that mass is constant during process.
The result obtained is in order about ##\sim 10^{53}\ \text{erg}## of energy released in the collapse
 
I also got about 10^53 ergs.
 
Great! Thank you for your help
 
As a bonus, estimate temperature of the resulting NS and its luminosity.

Last time I did it, I've got something like 17 billion solar luminosities... from each square meter of NS surface.
 
The approximation of constant density for both stars is valid because they are both supported by degeneracy pressure - the white dwarf by degenerate electrons, and the neutron star by degenerate neutrons...
 
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nikkkom said:
As a bonus, estimate temperature of the resulting NS and its luminosity.

Last time I did it, I've got something like 17 billion solar luminosities... from each square meter of NS surface.
That wouldn't be correct though, stars typically have a more lower surface temperature than interior temperature-- and for exactly that reason.
 

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