Why are Earth-size Planets candidate as habitable planets?

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The discussion revolves around the criteria that make Earth-size planets candidates for habitability, focusing on their ability to retain an atmosphere and the implications of size and mass on this capability. Participants explore various factors influencing habitability, including gravitational pull, escape velocity, and the presence of liquid water, while also considering the potential for life on different types of planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the size of a planet affects its ability to hold an atmosphere due to gravitational pull, with smaller planets potentially struggling to retain gas molecules.
  • Others argue that not all Earth-sized planets are habitable, as factors like temperature and stellar wind interactions also play critical roles in atmospheric retention.
  • A participant questions whether habitability is more dependent on a planet's mass and radius or its escape velocity, noting that escape velocity is influenced by both mass and radius.
  • Another participant highlights that while larger planets can retain thicker atmospheres, there are limits to how small or large a planet can be while still maintaining a viable atmosphere.
  • Some contributions suggest that life could potentially arise in subsurface environments, such as ice caverns or oceans beneath the surface, rather than solely on the surface.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of the "habitable zone," with some participants suggesting it may be misleading as it primarily refers to surface conditions rather than subsurface environments.
  • Participants also explore the idea that liquid water might be a more critical factor for habitability than the presence of an atmosphere.
  • Some express skepticism about the likelihood of life on gas giants, while others maintain that it cannot be entirely ruled out.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the factors influencing habitability, with no clear consensus on the primary determinants. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of size, mass, and atmospheric conditions for habitability across different planetary types.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of habitability, the complexity of interactions between various factors, and the lack of comprehensive data on exoplanets.

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Readers interested in planetary science, astrobiology, and the conditions necessary for life beyond Earth may find this discussion relevant.

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I have read in a book that the reason Earth-size planets become candidates for habitable planets is because of their capability to hold an atmosphere; a planet smaller than Earth would have a thinner atmosphere and otherwise if it is larger. My question is, does this size matter because of its gravitational pull to maintain an atmosphere? Can't planets having the same gravitational pull as our Earth become habitable as well; like massive planets with a larger size, or less dense planets with a smaller radius?
 
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Not every earth-sized planet is habitable, many are way too hot or to cold for example.
The capability to hold an atmosphere is mainly given by the escape velocity from the surface, the temperature and the interactions of the stellar wind with the magnetic field (if present).

If the mass of the planet is too small, gas molecules can get a velocity above the escape velocity randomly due to thermal motion, and escape.
Stellar winds can also "kick out" molecules if no magnetic field deflects them.

Mars is quite small, for example. It does not have a magnetic field and the escape velocity from the surface is lower, so gas molecules can escape easier. The result is the thin carbon dioxide atmosphere we observe today.
A planet with several times the mass of Earth can attract much more gas, and fewer molecules will escape its deeper gravity well. As a result, on average they should have a thicker atmosphere. And if they get too heavy, they can even become gas giants.
 
If I have the mass and radius data of a planet and given that it is within the habitable zone of its star, and disregarding cosmic interactions, would it be more sensible that its habitability (atmosphere) depends on the planet's mass and radius, or depends on its escape velocity?
 
ecastro said:
If I have the mass and radius data of a planet and given that it is within the habitable zone of its star, and disregarding cosmic interactions, would it be more sensible that its habitability (atmosphere) depends on the planet's mass and radius, or depends on its escape velocity?
Escape velocity at the surface is determined by mass and radius, so it's pretty much the same thing:
##V_e=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{r}}##
See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity

That is, if you have a planet that is half as massive and half as large as Earth, it will have the same escape velocity and the same conditions for retaining an atmosphere.
Note that for a planet half as large to be only half as massive its density would have to be four times higher (because the volume of a sphere grows with the third power of the radius), and vice versa.
This means there's a limit on how small a planet can be for these purposes, as you can't just have planets with arbitrarily large densities. Similarly, if you make the planet too large, but retain the same escape velocity (so that it doesn't turn into a gas giant by holding onto too much volatiles), you're running a risk of lowering its density below what's feasible.
 
While we do not have enough data for a proper analysis, the more mass a rocky planet has the denser it should be on average (not including the atmosphere) as the core pressure will compress the material more for larger planets. It will be hard to find some planet significantly smaller than Earth with a density significantly higher - you would need a very large concentration of very heavy elements.
 
Thank you! Another question came into mind. Could life arise from gaseous planets? Jupiter, for example, if it were to be in the habitable zone?
 
If you find an answer, publish it.
At least earth-like life looks unlikely, but with our single data point where life evolved it is hard to rule out anything.
 
ecastro said:
Thank you! Another question came into mind. Could life arise from gaseous planets? Jupiter, for example, if it were to be in the habitable zone?
'Could' is the operative word. We don't know. But we'd want to allow for possibility.
 
Thank you very much for this discussion. :smile:
 
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ecastro said:
I have read in a book that the reason Earth-size planets become candidates for habitable planets is because of their capability to hold an atmosphere; ...

A planet or moon does not need atmosphere to be habitable. Plants, animals, humans could live in subsurface ice caverns with sealed-in breathable air and interconnecting ice tunnels. The key factor is a reliable electric power supply to supply light.

Surface habitation involves one-in-a-hundred lucky hits. Atmosphere can't be too hot or too cold, or be made of the wrong gases, or have too high a pressure, or too low. Surface gravity must be strong enough to hold atmosphere but not too strong, or you can't walk upright. Water has to be available (so many places are dry). Planets suitable for surface habitation are not common.

Ice balls with rock core and icy outer layers some hundred kilometers thick appear to be common. If humans want to establish settlements abroad they need to learn to live in subsurface ice habitats.

Some of these solar system iceballs are believed to have subsurface oceans.

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The term "habitable zone" is potentially confusing. It really means SURFACE habitable zone, where there might exist a rare lucky planet that actually had surface water, and had an atmosphere the right temperature for the water to remain liquid on the surface, and a magnetic field to protect the atmosphere from erosion by solar wind etc. None of the ice-worlds shown here are in the solar system's "habitable zone" as conventionally defined even though some are believed to have sealed-in subsurface oceans.
 
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mfb said:
While we do not have enough data for a proper analysis, the more mass a rocky planet has the denser it should be on average (not including the atmosphere) as the core pressure will compress the material more for larger planets. It will be hard to find some planet significantly smaller than Earth with a density significantly higher - you would need a very large concentration of very heavy elements.
Not particularly hard. Mercury is almost as dense as Earth. And iron, like rock and any other substance, is compressible at the sizes of Earth.
How dense would a Mars-sized planet with composition of Mercury be?
 
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In addition to life on the surface or in subsurface caverns as mentionned above, (subsurface) oceans such as those on some of Jupiter's moons are speculated to provide a possible habitat for life. After all, life on Earth is thought to have appeared in its oceans, so the presence of liquid water might be more of a hint for the possibility of life than that of an atmosphere.

In fact my understanding is that liquid water, rather than an atmosphere, is one of the criteria (or even the primary one) used in defining the habitable zone.
 
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snorkack said:
Not particularly hard. Mercury is almost as dense as Earth. And iron, like rock and any other substance, is compressible at the sizes of Earth.
How dense would a Mars-sized planet with composition of Mercury be?
That's why I said "significantly higher". We see a compression effect for earth, but it is not so prominent yet. A different chemical composition like Mercury can give the same effect size.
How would a mercury-sized planet with twice its mass look like? Iron is not dense enough and elements with a density above 10g/cm^3 without pressure are rare.
 

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