Why aren't the derivatives equal?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between velocity and acceleration, specifically focusing on the differentiation of the magnitude of velocity to find acceleration. The subject area includes calculus and physics, particularly in the context of motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the distinction between velocity and its magnitude, questioning why differentiating the magnitude of velocity does not yield the magnitude of acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the correct approach to finding acceleration from velocity.

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Participants are actively discussing the nuances of differentiation in this context. Some have provided clarifications regarding the notation and the need to differentiate velocity rather than its magnitude to obtain acceleration. There is recognition that the question specifically asks for the magnitude of acceleration, leading to further exploration of the necessary steps to arrive at that result.

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There is mention of potentially confusing notation and the need to differentiate between velocity and its magnitude. The discussion also references external content for additional context.

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After getting ##v = |\frac{dz}{dt}|=\frac{3}{t^2+1}## why can't I simply take the derivative of that with respect to ##t## to get the acceleration?
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Calpalned said:

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The Attempt at a Solution


After getting ##v = |\frac{dz}{dt}|=\frac{3}{t^2+1}## why can't I simply take the derivative of that with respect to ##t## to get the acceleration?
The notation is a little weird. What they're calling v is actually the magnitude of the velocity, not the velocity itself, and ##\frac{dz}{dt}## is the velocity. To get the acceleration, you need to differentiate the velocity (not its magnitude) with respect to t.
 
Okay, so simply put the derivative of the magnitude of velocity is not the magnitude of acceleration? ##\frac{d}{dt}(|\frac{dz}{dt}|)\neq|\frac{d^2 z}{dt^2}|##
 
Mark44 said:
The notation is a little weird. What they're calling v is actually the magnitude of the velocity, not the velocity itself, and ##\frac{dz}{dt}## is the velocity. To get the acceleration, you need to differentiate the velocity (not its magnitude) with respect to t.
But the question asks for the magnitude of acceleration
 
Calpalned said:
But the question asks for the magnitude of acceleration
Right, but they first have to get the acceleration, and then get its magnitude.
 

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