Why Do Accelerated Charges Radiate?

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The discussion centers on the phenomenon of radiation from accelerated charges, particularly in the context of the equivalence principle. Participants explore the relationship between electromagnetic radiation, general relativity, and classical electrodynamics, questioning why standard electromagnetic texts do not adequately address this topic.

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  • Some participants suggest that the radiation from accelerated charges may be related to complex aspects of the Lorentz-Dirac equation and quantum electrodynamics (QED).
  • One participant notes that radiation involves multipoles, which are extended objects, and questions how this relates to the local nature of the equivalence principle.
  • Another participant argues that while a charge in a freely falling frame experiences acceleration, the surrounding field remains influenced by gravity, complicating the application of Maxwell's equations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the Larmor formula can be applied to accelerated particles without needing general relativity, suggesting that standard radiation phenomena are adequately described by special relativity.
  • One participant references a specific animation related to the radiation mechanism proposed by J.J. Thomson, indicating a potential resource for visualizing the concepts discussed.

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Participants express varying opinions on the necessity of general relativity in explaining radiation from accelerated charges, with some asserting it is not required while others suggest it plays a role. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between these concepts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the applicability of classical electrodynamics versus general relativity, as well as the specific conditions under which radiation is observed. The complexity of the Lorentz-Dirac equation and its implications for QED are also noted but not fully explored.

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I have often wondered why, when you consider the equivalence principle, accelerated charges radiate. Its not something the EM books I have read seem to actually address.

Anyone know the answer or is it tied up with weird stuff like runaway solutions to the Lorentz-Dirac equation that really requires QED.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Radiation involves multipoles, which are extended objects. The equivalence principle is purely local - indeed, it tells us how to define a gravitational field: not by its acceleration, a la Newton, but by its tides.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Radiation involves multipoles, which are extended objects.

Got it.. If you have say a charge sitting on a table and you go to a freely falling local frame so the charge accelerates upwards the field outside this local frame still resides in a gravitational field. Its not inertial and Maxwell's equations don't strictly apply - you need GR.

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Bill
 
Hi,

I am not sure if I got the question and your conclusion right...

If you regard for example a single accelerated particle you can first get to the Larmor formula (non-relativistic). Elementary particles can accellerate hellacious, so you can formulate this in a SRT way. See J.D. Jackson, chapter 14 - which is needed in particle accelerators.

GRT is not needed here in any way. Naturally you can write the Maxwell equations in a GRT way which look the same as the SRT ones if you use the coordinate free language (differential forms). Nevertheless, the standard radiation you observe has nothing to do with this.
The GRT part would be interesting if you watch as a free falling observer a charged particle itself free falling in your reference frame. Is this case you would measure the acceleration relative to your position - which is an higher order effect depending purely from the curvature - which is normally very very small. Jens
 
bhobba said:
I have often wondered why, when you consider the equivalence principle, accelerated charges radiate. Its not something the EM books I have read seem to actually address.

Anyone know the answer or is it tied up with weird stuff like runaway solutions to the Lorentz-Dirac equation that really requires QED.

Thanks
Bill
I wonder if the animation at the following URL will be helpful: http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~teviet/Waves/empulse.html
It is based on the radiation mechanism proposed by J J Thompson.
 

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