Why do charges outside surface create no net flux?

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Charges outside a surface contribute zero net flux because the electric field lines entering the surface must equal those exiting it, resulting in cancellation. Although the electric field strength decreases with the square of the distance (R²), the area through which the field lines pass increases proportionally, maintaining the same magnitude of flux. The discussion emphasizes that if no charge exists within the surface, all field lines must exit, leading to a net flux of zero. The integral of the electric field over a closed surface confirms this principle, as it must equal zero. Ultimately, the relationship between field strength and area ensures that the flux remains balanced.
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Why do charges outside the surface contribute 0 net flux? The book I'm reading says it's because the flux entering the surface cancels out with the flux exiting the surface. But that means E dot Area must be exactly the same magnitude when entering and exiting to cancel out.

But we know E-field decreases by factor of R2, so as you increase in distance, area must increase by R2 in order to maintain the same magnitude of flux.

But what about in this situation? https://imgur.com/a/c2KS8

The areas penetrated by the E-Field have the same magnitude, but the E-fields are of different strength because E-Fields decrease by R2. So E dot A is different at each area, so flux in this situation cannot be 0.
 
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yosimba2000 said:
But what about in this situation? https://imgur.com/a/c2KS8
Flux also leaves the sides.

Sometimes thinking about lines of flux helps. If there is no charge in the surface then no lines start or stop inside the surface. Therefore, every line which goes in one side must come out somewhere else.
 
yosimba2000 said:
But that means E dot Area must be exactly the same magnitude when entering and exiting to cancel out.
It means that the integral of ##\mathbf{E}\cdot\mathbf{a}## must be zero
$$\oint\mathbf{E}\cdot d\mathbf{a}=0$$
yosimba2000 said:
But we know E-field decreases by factor of R2, so as you increase in distance, area must increase by R2 in order to maintain the same magnitude of flux.
The size of the Gaussian surface can be considered constant. The Gaussian surface itself is arbitrary and how it is drawn and is not constrained by the behavior of the electric field. Although picking a surface with identical symmetry to the field can drastically simplify the problem.
yosimba2000 said:
The areas penetrated by the E-Field have the same magnitude, but the E-fields are of different strength because E-Fields decrease by R2. So E dot A is different at each area, so flux in this situation cannot be 0.
You forgot about the flux through the sides and the flux through the ends is not correct. The total flux is zero if you find it correctly.
 
Dale said:
Flux also leaves the sides.

Sometimes thinking about lines of flux helps. If there is no charge in the surface then no lines start or stop inside the surface. Therefore, every line which goes in one side must come out somewhere else.

But the field strength when the line enters is stronger than when the field line leaves. So still, the areas must somehow compensate for this, right?
 
yosimba2000 said:
But the field strength when the line enters is stronger than when the field line leaves. So still, the areas must somehow compensate for this, right?
Yes, but there is more area over which the field lines are leaving.
 
yosimba2000 said:
But the field strength when the line enters is stronger than when the field line leaves. So still, the areas must somehow compensate for this, right?
The field strength is proportional to the spacing of the lines. So it automatically ensures that as the field gets weaker it covers a larger area.
 

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