Why do clocks appear to run at different speeds when traveling at high speeds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perception of time and the behavior of light in relation to moving clocks, particularly in the context of special relativity. Participants explore how different observers perceive the movement of light and clocks when traveling at high speeds, addressing both conceptual and visual representations of these phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why light does not miss a moving mirror and why it appears to travel at an angle rather than straight, suggesting a misunderstanding of the scenario presented.
  • Another participant clarifies that the animation shows the same light and mirror from the perspectives of two differently-moving observers, implying that the perception of light's path changes with relative motion.
  • A participant expresses concern about whether the figures presented account for the changing perspective when moving away from a clock, indicating a need for clarity on how perspective affects the observation of time dilation.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how light behaves according to different observers, with one participant explaining that from their perspective, light travels straight up and down, while another observer sees it at an angle.
  • A participant introduces two scenarios to conceptualize the situation: one where clocks are in the same context and another where they are in separate contexts, suggesting that the perception of light's path can vary significantly based on the observer's frame of reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the visual representations and the implications for understanding time dilation. Multiple competing views remain regarding how light behaves in relation to moving observers and the impact of perspective on these observations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the visual aids used to illustrate the concepts, as well as the dependence on the definitions of "context" and "system" in relation to the observers' frames of reference.

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I don't understand this: http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/timevbig_gif.html

if the mirror is moving fast enough, why won't the light just miss it? why is the light traveling towards at an angle instead of straight?
 
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branniganslaw said:
if the mirror is moving fast enough, why won't the light just miss it?

it won't, because it's the same light and the same mirror …

the picture is showing the same thing as seen by two differently-moving observers :wink:
 
That makes more sense, but that site actually says that clock moved. http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/time.html

What bothers me is that when you move away from the clock, your perspective changes. Do these figures take that into account? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Time-dilation-002.svg
 
branniganslaw said:
That makes more sense, but that site actually says that clock moved. http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/sr/time.html

If you were the blue dot, the light still just goes straight up to the mirror and straight down back, even in the second image. (as far as you can tell, you are not moving, the red dot. is.)
IOW, the second animation is according to the red dot. The same animation according to the blue dot would have his light going straight up and down, while the red dot's light follows the angled path off to the left.
 
tiny-tim said it.



For this example it helps me to think of these two "clocks" scenarios as being in:

Scenario 1 - the same "context" or "system".

Scenario 2 - separate "contexts" or "systems".

Imagine for scenario two, you are "riding along" with clock two. You have just entered a different world where clock two's light doesn't travel on an angle anymore. Now try and imagine what clock one's light would look like.

And that's no trick.
 
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