Why Do I Get Different Results When Calculating Powers and Indices?

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The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the calculation of powers and indices, specifically when multiplying expressions involving variables and constants. Participants explore the correct interpretation and application of exponentiation in algebraic expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the results of multiplying expressions involving indices, specifically questioning why different methods yield different results.
  • Another participant clarifies that (2*t)^2*(3*t)^2 is not equivalent to (6*t)^4, explaining the expansion of each expression leads to different outcomes unless t = 0.
  • A third participant suggests that the notation used for exponents can be improved for clarity, offering alternatives such as using ^ or LaTeX script.
  • There is a correction regarding the evaluation of expressions when t = 2, with one participant asserting that the correct calculations yield 96 for both expressions rather than the initially stated values of 16 and 36.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of correctly grouping terms when applying exponentiation, noting that squaring the entire expression differs from squaring just the variable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion, as multiple interpretations of the expressions and calculations are presented. Disagreement exists regarding the correct application of exponent rules and the interpretation of the original problem.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of notation and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly applying exponent rules and grouping terms in algebraic calculations.

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Hi there, I am stuck, please can someone help me to understand where I am going wrong...

I have been learning about indices and i am confused.. here is an example of why..

2t squared x 3t squared = 6t power 4

but if i give t a value of 2..

2x2 squared = 16

3x2 squared = 36

16 x 36 = 576

but... 6x2 power 4 = 20736

why am i getting two different answers, what am I doing wrong?
 
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(2*t)^2*(3*t)^2 is not the same thing as (6*t)^4 because if I expand them out, it comes out to be 36*t*t*t*t instead of (2*t)^2*(3*t)^2, and (6*t)^4 is 1296*t*t*t*t, which obviously do not equal each other unless t = 0.

I think you may be grouping them wrong, because if you simply move the parenthesis, you get 2*(t^2)*3*(t^2) = 6*(t^4) which is true because 2*(t^2)*3*(t^2) is the same thing as saying 6*t*t*t*t: I just multiplied the 3 and 2, and expanded the t^2's. 6*(t^4) is the same thing as saying 6*t*t*t*t as well, for the same reason, therefore they must equal each other.

If you are confused by the notation I am using, * means multiply, and ^ means to the power of.
 
peterspencers said:
Hi there, I am stuck, please can someone help me to understand where I am going wrong...

I have been learning about indices and i am confused.. here is an example of why..

2t squared x 3t squared = 6t power 4
There are better ways to represent what we in America call exponents.
1. Simplest - Use ^, which is notation that comes from the Basic programming language.
Your problem would appear as 2t^2 * 3t^2 = 6t^4
2. HTML tags - Click the Go Advanced button below the text input area. This causes the advanced menu to show across the top of the entry pane. The X2 button inserts tags around your exponent.
Your problem now looks like this: 2t2 * 3t2 = 6t4.
3. LaTeX script - I won't go into detail about how to do this, but you can find out more in this post: https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3977517&postcount=3.
With LaTeX script your equation looks like this:
##2t^2 \cdot 3t^2 = 6t^4 ##
If you right-click on what I wrote, you can see the script that did it.
peterspencers said:
but if i give t a value of 2..

2x2 squared = 16

3x2 squared = 36
No to both. If t = 2, then 2t2 = 2 * 22 = 8, and 3t2 = 3 * 22 = 12.
So when t = 2, 2t2 * 3t2 = 8 * 12 = 96.

On the other hand, 6t4 = 6 * 24 = 6 * 16 = 96.
peterspencers said:
16 x 36 = 576

but... 6x2 power 4 = 20736

why am i getting two different answers, what am I doing wrong?

Instead of squaring just the variable (i.e., 2t2), you are squaring the whole thing, (2t)2). These are different. Same for the other factor, 3t2.
 
Thankyou so much :)
 

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