Why do reversible reactions occur in the first place?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of reversible reactions in chemistry, specifically exploring why these reactions occur and the role of catalysts and transition states in this context. Participants examine the conditions under which reactions may be considered reversible and the implications of reactant concentrations and energy dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that reactants aim to achieve a lower energy state, raising the question of why reversible reactions occur despite this tendency.
  • It is proposed that catalysts provide an alternative reaction pathway with lower activation energy, but do not necessarily lower the activation energy of the reaction itself.
  • One participant argues that the concentration of reactants affects reversibility, noting that reactions can be deemed irreversible if a product escapes the system, while all reactions could be reversible under certain conditions.
  • Another participant questions how a transition state can "decide" to revert to reactants, suggesting that this process requires significant energy input from molecular motion.
  • A different viewpoint posits that the reverse reaction can occur through the same transition state, emphasizing that thermal energy allows molecules at the transition state to either proceed to products or revert to reactants, referencing the principle of microscopic reversibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of reversible reactions and the role of transition states, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus on the nature of these processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of reactant concentrations and energy dynamics, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specifics of transition states and the conditions under which reactions are considered reversible.

TheExibo
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It is generally said that reactants react so that they can achieve a lower energy state. Then why does a reversible reaction occur in the first place?

If catalysts lower activation energy both ways in a reversible reactions by making the transition state less thermodynamically unfavourable, then why is it that the transition state sometimes decides to go backward to form the reactants?
 
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A catalyst provides an alternative route for the reaction with a lower activation energy." It does not "lower the activation energy of the reaction"..

The concentrations of the reactants is important ... if one of the reactants exits the system ...Ca CO3 + 2HCl → CaCl2 + H2O + CO2↑... here the CO2 escapes and the reaction is called 'irreversible' ... If the CO2 was retained in the reaction environment then the reverse reaction would also be occurring and equilibrium would be reached ,
I believe it's true that all reactions could be considered reversible under some conditions.

To put it another way ...in the reaction above , the solution will contain all the ions , bumping into one another and reacting , going in both directions ... the reaction which requires most energy input will occur less frequently.
 
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oz93666 said:
A catalyst provides an alternative route for the reaction with a lower activation energy." It does not "lower the activation energy of the reaction"..

The concentrations of the reactants is important ... if one of the reactants exits the system ...Ca CO3 + 2HCl → CaCl2 + H2O + CO2↑... here the CO2 escapes and the reaction is called 'irreversible' ... If the CO2 was retained in the reaction environment then the reverse reaction would also be occurring and equilibrium would be reached ,
I believe it's true that all reactions could be considered reversible under some conditions.

To put it another way ...in the reaction above , the solution will contain all the ions , bumping into one another and reacting , going in both directions ... the reaction which requires most energy input will occur less frequently.

Right but how can a transition state decide to go backwards? Or is a reverse reaction a completely different mechanism with a different transition state?
 
TheExibo said:
... but how can a transition state decide to go backwards?
I don't see why not ...it just requires a large input of energy from random molecular/ionic motion , this back reaction will be much more less frequent than the reaction going the other way.,,, effectively undetectable .
 
TheExibo said:
Right but how can a transition state decide to go backwards? Or is a reverse reaction a completely different mechanism with a different transition state?

The reverse reaction proceeds with the same transition state. Remember that chemcial reactions are thermally driven, and thermal energy provides the energy to overcome the activation energy required. Molecules that at the transition state can either go forward or backward (in fact the transition state can be defined as the point in the energy landscape where 50% of the molecules will become product and 50% of the molecules will go back to being reactants. All of this comes from the principle of microscopic reversibility. (see also http://www.ilpi.com/organomet/microscopic.html)
 

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