Why Do Stream Tubes Form in Fluid Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence and definition of stream tubes in fluid mechanics, particularly focusing on the conditions under which they form and the implications of streamlines in laminar versus turbulent flow. Participants explore the conceptual framework of streamlines and their relationship to fluid flow behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why streamlines cannot diverge at neighboring points, suggesting a scenario where they could be orthogonal and not form a tube.
  • Another participant asserts that stream tubes and lines occur in laminar flow, prompting a question about the laminarity of the proposed example.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that streamlines are defined as tangential to the instantaneous velocity vector, indicating that flow cannot be perpendicular to a streamline, which is a foundational aspect of streamtube formation.
  • It is noted that streamlines are not exclusive to laminar flow and are independent of viscosity, thus applicable in both laminar and turbulent contexts.
  • One participant argues that if streamlines were to cross, it would imply that flow could move in multiple directions simultaneously, which is deemed physically nonsensical.
  • There is mention of more mathematically robust explanations for the behavior of streamlines, although these are acknowledged to be less intuitive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of streamlines and their relationship to flow types, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding the conditions under which stream tubes form.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of laminar and turbulent flow, as well as the implications of viscosity on streamline behavior, remain unresolved and could affect the discussion.

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I don't understand why stream tubes exist. Stream tube is defined here: http://www.princeton.edu/~asmits/Bicycle_web/streamline.html

Why can't you have a stream line starting at a point going one way, and then the stream line at the neighboring point going some orthogonal direction, and thus not forming a tube?
 
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Why can't you have a stream line starting at a point going one way, and then the stream line at the neighboring point going some orthogonal direction, and thus not forming a tube?

Stream tubes and lines occur in laminar flow.
How would your example be laminar?
 
It is just a definition. A streamline is a line that is tangential to the instantaneous velocity vector. A streamtube is a collection of streamlines and by definition there is no flow perpendicular to a streamline so therefore there is no flow through the walls of the streamtube.
 
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Stream tubes and lines occur in laminar flow.
How would your example be laminar?

Streamlines are not only present in laminar flow. In fact, the concept of streamlines is completely independent of the concept of viscosity, which means it is also independent of laminar/turbulent flow since they make no sense in an inviscid sense.

mrmojorizing said:
I don't understand why stream tubes exist. Stream tube is defined here: http://www.princeton.edu/~asmits/Bicycle_web/streamline.html

Why can't you have a stream line starting at a point going one way, and then the stream line at the neighboring point going some orthogonal direction, and thus not forming a tube?

RandomGuy88 said it pretty well. As he said, streamlines are defined as following along the instantaneous velocity vector. Imagine that two streamlines did somehow cross. That would mean the flow is moving in two directions at once! Clearly, that doesn't really make physical sense, hence streamlines cannot cross one another.

There are more mathematically robust answers, but they aren't as easy to visualize.
 

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