Why do we apply sign conventions to optics formulae?

In summary, the relations between image distance(v), object distance(u) and focal length(f) for mirrors or lenses are derived using the concept of similar triangles and alternate exterior angles. The standard sign conventions are then applied in the last step to obtain the final formulae. These conventions are necessary to differentiate between real and virtual images and converging and diverging lenses and mirrors. They are only applied once, when assigning values to the formula. This may seem to cancel out their effect, but they are still necessary for proper differentiation.
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When we derive the relations between image distance(v), object distance(u) ond focal length(f) for mirrors or lenses (1/v+1/u=1/f and 1/v-1/u=1/f respectively), using the concept of similar triangles and alternate exterior angles, in the last step we apply standard sign conventions to get the above formulae.

But why do we need to apply the sign conventions to the standard formulae again while solving problems based on lenses and mirrors? Isn't that sort of cancelling out the effect of applying sign conventions at all?

I thought it might be because ultimately distances are always positive and this was to nullify the effect of taking distances measured opposite to direction of incident ray as negative(according to standard sign conventions). But then why apply sign conventions in the first place then?
Thanking you in advance
Hale2bopp
 
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If you use the Real is Positive sign convention, the formula for all lenses and mirrors is
1/v + 1/u = 1/f

There is no minus sign.
You then assign a positive value to any distance to a real image or object.
You assign a negative value to virtual image or object distances.
You assign a positive value to the focal length of converging lenses or mirrors and negative to diverging lenses or mirrors.

So you only apply the sign convention once, when you assign values to the formula.

The convention is necessary to differentiate between real and virtual images and converging and diverging lenses and mirrors.
 
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We are currently using the positive when the distances measured from pole, in direction of incident ray, negative for distances measured from the pole opposite to direction of incident ray conventions, in school.
While your explanation makes sense, how would i apply the same logic to these conventions?
 

1. What are sign conventions in optics formulae?

Sign conventions in optics formulae refer to the use of positive and negative signs to indicate the direction of light rays and the locations of objects and images in optical systems. These conventions are used to maintain consistency and accuracy in calculations and to ensure that the results are interpreted correctly.

2. Why do we need sign conventions in optics formulae?

Sign conventions are necessary in optics formulae because light rays can travel in different directions and optical systems can have different configurations. By using a standard set of sign conventions, we can avoid confusion and errors in calculations and comparisons.

3. What is the significance of positive and negative signs in optics formulae?

The positive and negative signs in optics formulae indicate whether a quantity is being measured in the same direction as the reference point or in the opposite direction. For example, a positive sign for the object distance in a lens formula means that the object is located on the same side as the incident light, while a negative sign means that the object is on the opposite side.

4. How do sign conventions affect the results of calculations in optics?

Sign conventions can affect the results of calculations in optics by changing the direction and magnitude of a quantity. For instance, a positive sign for the focal length of a converging lens means that the image is real and inverted, while a negative sign indicates a virtual and upright image. Therefore, understanding and applying sign conventions correctly is crucial for obtaining accurate results.

5. Are there different sign conventions used in optics?

Yes, there are different sign conventions used in optics, depending on the type of optical system being studied. For example, the sign conventions for spherical mirrors are different from those for thin lenses. It is important to be aware of and use the specific sign conventions for the optical system being analyzed to ensure accurate calculations and interpretations.

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