Refraction Formula For Thin Lens

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the different lens formulas used in optics, specifically the thin lens formula and the implications of various sign conventions. Participants explore the validity of these formulas and their applications in different contexts, including numerical problems and advanced optical systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the existence of two lens formulas: the thin lens formula (1/v - 1/u = 1/f) and the virtual-real sign convention formula (1/v + 1/u = 1/f), questioning whether they are distinct or variations due to the Cartesian sign convention.
  • Another participant asserts that both formulas are 'correct' and references Hyperphysics for further details, expressing confusion about the sign of f in the second formula.
  • A participant mentions their preference for the Gaussian formula with sign convention, indicating they have not used the real-virtual formula.
  • Another participant adds that the Cartesian sign convention form is often favored in advanced texts due to its advantages in dealing with multiple-lens systems and complex optical instruments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying preferences for different lens formulas and sign conventions, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the necessity and application of these formulas.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of confusion regarding the sign of the focal length in one of the formulas, which suggests potential limitations in understanding the conventions used. The discussion does not resolve the differences in preference for the formulas.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals studying optics, particularly those interested in lens formulas, sign conventions, and their applications in complex optical systems.

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I was browsing about my optics books,completing numericals and stuff
When I found a a statement called different lens formulas
It had 2 formulas
One,called the thin lens formula or rather the geometric sign convention formula was called 1/v-1/u=1/f(Symbols have their usual meanings) and another one called the virtual-real sign convention formula which was 1/v+1/u=1/f
I know that for a thin lens 1/S0 +1/SI=1/F
Where S0,SI are the object and image distances respectively
So is the statement correct
Or is it just one formula made into two because of the Cartesian SIgn Convention?
Some insight is much appreciated
Thanks!
 
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Both are 'correct'. See Hyperphysics where they tell you all the details.

And yes, the Cartesian sign convention flips the sign.

(But now I am personally confused by the minus sign for f in the second link :frown: . Anyone ? )

perhaps this helps ?
 
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It helped quite a lot
But my question is why are there 2 lens equations to begin with
I personally use the gaussian formula with sign convention
I never really have used the real-virtual one
 
Same here. But the link reveals that
form using the Cartesian sign convention is often used in more advanced texts because of advantages with multiple-lens systems and more complex optical instruments.
 

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