Why do we use plus/minus signs in front of radicals?

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The discussion revolves around the use of plus/minus signs in front of radicals, particularly in the context of mathematical notation and its implications. Participants explore the clarity and correctness of expressing solutions involving square roots and the conventions used in mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a single plus/minus sign could suffice to represent the solutions of a radical expression.
  • Others argue that using plus/minus signs indicates the existence of two distinct cases, which should be clearly expressed in mathematical writing.
  • A participant points out that the notation ±|x| is not equivalent to ±±x, emphasizing the importance of clarity in mathematical expressions.
  • There is a discussion on the distinction between the meanings of +/- and ±, with some noting that +/- indicates one of the two possibilities, while ± encompasses both.
  • One participant mentions that the n-th root function produces only one output, particularly when n is even, which complicates the use of plus/minus signs in certain contexts.
  • Another participant illustrates how the expression (x ± y)² captures both cases of addition and subtraction in one equation.

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Participants express differing views on the sufficiency and clarity of using plus/minus signs in mathematical notation. There is no consensus on whether a single plus/minus sign is adequate or if more explicit notation is necessary.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the use of plus/minus signs can lead to confusion if not properly contextualized, particularly in cases where clarity is essential for understanding the mathematical implications.

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[tex]±\sqrt { { x }^{ 2 } } \\ =±|x|\\ =±±x[/tex]

Wouldn't a plus sign or a minus sign be sufficient?
 
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hi tahayassen! :smile:
tahayassen said:
Wouldn't a plus sign or a minus sign be sufficient?

you mean, wouldn't one plus-or-minus sign be sufficient?

yes, you can just write "√(x2) = ±x" :wink:
 
The last step is either false or misleading nobody would write that. It means in one case ++x and in the other case --x which is both the same as x and not what you wrote on the line above. Plus-minus signs are used if one wants to say that there are two equations that apply in different cases, and that are only distinguished by different plus or minus signs. It's a way to express your thoughts and not a rigorous 100% correct way to write mathematics. If one wants to be clear one has to write cases like

"c=a+b if condiction X and c=a-b if condition Y."
 
plus/minus signs

You should also note that plus/minus signs written as in your thread title means something different.

+/- means plus or minus, but not both, ie only one will satisfy the statement.

So an object that slides up and down a vertical pole can be moving up (y +ve) or down (y -ve) but not both.

± means both plus and minus (satisfy the statement)

The equation x2 = 4 is satisfied by both x=+2 and x=-2
 
Plus/minus signs are not aways used in front of radicals. The n-th root is a function which means it can produce only one output. In the case where n=even number the square root is positive number which rised to the power of n gives the original number. However negative numbers risen to even power give the same answer as the same positive numbers. When you solve equations you usualy need both cases.

And yes +/- sign mean both cases separately for example :

[itex](x \pm y)^2=x^2 \pm 2xy+ y^2[/itex] This is basicaly the two cases in one equation :
[itex](x + y)^2=x^2 + 2xy+ y^2[/itex]
[itex](x - y)^2=x^2 - 2xy+ y^2[/itex]
 
tahayassen said:
[tex]±\sqrt { { x }^{ 2 } } \\ =±|x|\\ =±±x[/tex]
This last step is incorrect. [itex]\pm\sqrt{x^2}[/itex] is the same as [itex]\pm |x|[/itex] but |x| is NOT the same as "[itex]\pm x[/itex]" so [itex]\pm |x|[/itex] is NOT the same as "[itex]\pm\pm x[/itex]".

Wouldn't a plus sign or a minus sign be sufficient?
How would you chose which?
 

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