Why does a the Wave Function collapse?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of wave function collapse in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the reasons behind this collapse when a particle is observed. Participants explore various interpretations and theories related to the measurement problem, including Many Worlds Theory and Decoherence, while questioning the nature of observation and its implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why a wave function collapses upon observation, questioning the decision-making process of particles in superposition.
  • Others note that the measurement problem remains unresolved, with various theories proposed, such as Many Worlds Theory and Decoherence, but no consensus on the mechanism of collapse.
  • A participant suggests that superposition might involve a mysterious or supernatural force, prompting a reminder about speculation rules.
  • Decoherence is discussed as a likely explanation, though it is acknowledged that it does not provide a mechanism for the actual wave function collapse, leaving participants with lingering questions.
  • Some argue that interpretations of quantum mechanics cannot be resolved experimentally since they yield the same predictions, leading to a discussion about the nature of interpretations versus mathematical models.
  • A later reply emphasizes that interpretations are subjective and cannot be tested, as they are not part of the mathematical model itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of wave function collapse and the implications of different theories. There is no consensus on which interpretation is correct, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the actual mechanism behind wave function collapse.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the measurement problem, including the dependence on interpretations and the inability to experimentally distinguish between them, as all interpretations yield the same predictions.

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Why does a wave function collapse when we observe a particle? I would like to know why something that is in Super Position suddenly chooses a particular position when observed? If something is in all positions or states. How does the particle choose a particular state? What is the decision making process?
 
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This is still an unknown process: Why measurement collapses the superposition. This is called the Measurement Problem. Many theories are put forth to explain it, such as the Many Worlds Theory, Decoherence, etc.

For all I know "observe" has nothing to do with humans looking. A human is not necessary to collapse the superposition. Anything can perform a measurement, be it a human, a chimp, a cat, a virus, a detector, an atom, an electron, you name it.
 
Could we say this is the cause? Super position works by the power of influencing the course of events by using a mysterious or supernatural force? Are there any other explanations besides the Many Worlds and Decoherence?
 
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mpolo said:
Why does a wave function collapse when we observe a particle?

Collapse is an interpretation of QM; it is not part of the basic theory. So this question is not a question about physics, it's a question about interpretation, which cannot be resolved by experiment since all interpretations make the same predictions for all experiments.
 
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mpolo said:
Super position works by the power of influencing the course of events by using a mysterious or supernatural force?

Please review the PF rules on personal speculation.
 
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I think that Decoherence is the most likely explanation but there is still the problem, that Decoherence does not claim to provide a mechanism for the actual wave function collapse; rather it puts forth a reasonable mechanism for the appearance of wavefunction collapse. So I guess I am still stuck with a mystery. So to be clear, I am asking about the interpretation or meaning of the wave function collapse?

I had to read this statement many times.
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it's a question about interpretation, which cannot be resolved by experiment since all interpretations make the same predictions for all experiments.

It seems to me that there can only be one correct Interpretation for any mathematical formula or model. Are you saying we cannot prove which interpretation is correct by experiment? That I think is what I am trying to understand here. Which is what is the actual mechanism that causes wave function collapse.
 
mpolo said:
I think that Decoherence is the most likely explanation

Decoherence is not interpretation dependent, and yes, it is the current best explanation we have in the context of basic QM (i.e., without choosing any interpretation).

mpolo said:
there is still the problem, that Decoherence does not claim to provide a mechanism for the actual wave function collapse

That's not a problem, it's just a fact.

mpolo said:
It seems to me that there can only be one correct Interpretation for any mathematical formula or model

Then you really, really need to take the time to learn about the different interpretations of QM, so you will see concrete examples of different interpretations of the same mathematical model.

mpolo said:
Are you saying we cannot prove which interpretation is correct by experiment?

Yes, because all interpretations of QM make exactly the same predictions for all experiments. This is because all interpretations use the same mathematical model to make predictions.

mpolo said:
what is the actual mechanism that causes wave function collapse.

And I've already explained why this question doesn't have an answer.
 
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The OP question has been answered. Thread closed.
 
mpolo said:
It seems to me that there can only be one correct Interpretation for any mathematical formula or model.
This cannot be correct, because a mathematical formula or model is made to describe a certain process and the variables to represent a certain quantity. An experiment or measurement is usually an example which tests the validity of the model. An interpretation is per se an attachment of meaning, which humans provide to fit their individual perception of nature. It cannot be tested, because it isn't part of the model, only part of a verbal description of this model. The model itself has no meaning, resp. interpretation beside the dependencies of quantities.
Are you saying we cannot prove which interpretation is correct by experiment?
How would you distinguish whether ##\dot{x}(t)=c## is interpreted as speed or as distance. They are two different ways to describe the formula. Mathematically it is only a straight, and physically a uniform movement. You cannot say that one interpretation is correct and the other is not. Both rely on the same formula, make the same predictions and experiment proves both to be true. I admit it is a bit of a poor example, but the mechanism of interpretation is the same. I recently counted on how many ways a derivative can "interpreted" mathematically. I've found ten different environments, all describing one formula from different perspectives.
 
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