Why Does Air Break Up into Swirls Behind a Blunt Body in Fast Motion?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of air breaking up into swirls behind a blunt body moving at high speed, specifically in the context of fluid dynamics and drag forces. Participants explore the mechanics of turbulence, boundary layers, and the empirical nature of drag force equations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the air breaks up into swirls due to viscosity, which requires the fluid to have zero velocity near the surface of the body, leading to the formation of a boundary layer.
  • It is suggested that the boundary layer may not have enough energy to completely flow around the back of the object, resulting in separation and the creation of low-pressure recirculating bubbles.
  • Participants discuss the stability of vortices formed around blunt bodies, noting that at low Reynolds numbers, these vortices remain attached, but become unstable and shed at higher Reynolds numbers.
  • There is mention of the drag force equation, D = 1/2CρAv², with some participants questioning how it was derived and the meaning of the effective cross-sectional area, A, in different contexts of drag.
  • One participant notes that the drag coefficient, C_D, is typically determined through experimental means, with limited cases allowing for approximate calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts discussed, with some agreeing on the role of viscosity and boundary layers while others seek clarification on the equations and their implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of fluid dynamics and the specifics of drag force calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the need for prior knowledge in fluid dynamics to fully grasp the explanations provided. There are indications of missing assumptions and varying interpretations of the drag force equation.

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At the moment, I am reading about fluids and the drag force. There is one particular paragraph that I would like help with, specifically the part in red:
"Here we examine only cases in which air is the fluid, the body is blunt (like
a baseball) rather than slender (like a javelin), and the relative motion is fast
enough so that the air becomes turbulent (breaks up into swirls) behind the body."

Why does the air break up into swirls behind the body?
 
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Also, in the next paragraph the author begins talking about an equation for the force of drag, [itex]D = 1/2C\rho Av^2[/itex]. How was the equation found? The describe the variable A as "effective cross-sectional area," what does that mean?
 
Bashyboy said:
"Here we examine only cases in which air is the fluid, the body is blunt (like a baseball) rather than slender (like a javelin), and the relative motion is fast enough so that the air becomes turbulent (breaks up into swirls) behind the body."

Why does the air break up into swirls behind the body?

Well, because of viscosity, a fluid must have zero velocity near a surface (relative to that surface). This gives rise to what is called the boundary layer. In a simplified sense, as the air moves around the ball, the boundary layer doesn't have enough energy in it to make its way completely around the back end and ends up separating from the surface. When the boundary layer separates from the surface, it creates essentially a low pressure, recirculating bubble between it and the surface. There are essentially two vortices such as these that form for a circular cylinder (a similar but less complicated case compared to a ball). For low values of the Reynolds number (low velocities), which denotes the ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces, these vortices are stable and remain attacked to the back of the object. At a certain value of the Reynolds number, the system becomes unstable and the vortices begin shedding in an alternating pattern.

This is a fairly complicated problem and it sounds like you don't have any prior fluids experience so I will leave it at this simplified explanation for the time being.

Bashyboy said:
Also, in the next paragraph the author begins talking about an equation for the force of drag, D=1/2CρAv2. How was the equation found? The describe the variable A as "effective cross-sectional area," what does that mean?

That equation is essentially empirical where you find a value for [itex]C_D[/itex] through experiments. There are a handful of cases where it can be calculated approximately, but in general, you need to find that from experiments. The meaning of [itex]A[/itex] depends on what sort of drag you are looking at. For pressure drag, it is the frontal area of the object. For viscous drag it would be the wetted area, etc, though that equation is of limited use for viscous drag.
 
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boneh3ad said:
Well, because of viscosity, a fluid must have zero velocity near a surface (relative to that surface). This gives rise to what is called the boundary layer. In a simplified sense, as the air moves around the ball, the boundary layer doesn't have enough energy in it to make its way completely around the back end and ends up separating from the surface. When the boundary layer separates from the surface, it creates essentially a low pressure, recirculating bubble between it and the surface. There are essentially two vortices such as these that form for a circular cylinder (a similar but less complicated case compared to a ball). For low values of the Reynolds number (low velocities), which denotes the ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces, these vortices are stable and remain attacked to the back of the object. At a certain value of the Reynolds number, the system becomes unstable and the vortices begin shedding in an alternating pattern.

This is a fairly complicated problem and it sounds like you don't have any prior fluids experience so I will leave it at this simplified explanation for the time being.



That equation is essentially empirical where you find a value for [itex]C_D[/itex] through experiments. There are a handful of cases where it can be calculated approximately, but in general, you need to find that from experiments. The meaning of [itex]A[/itex] depends on what sort of drag you are looking at. For pressure drag, it is the frontal area of the object. For viscous drag it would be the wetted area, etc, though that equation is of limited use for viscous drag.

Thank you for that explanation, though most of it was a bit above my understanding. You are right in supposing that have not any experience with fluids, but I'll keep this webpage saved for the time being until I have learned about them.
 

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