Why does height affect the amount of damage an object does?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the height from which an object is dropped and the resulting damage it can cause upon impact. Participants explore concepts related to force, acceleration, speed, and kinetic energy, examining how these factors contribute to the impact force experienced by the object and the material it strikes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the force experienced by an object upon impact is related to its speed at the moment of impact, which increases with height due to gravitational acceleration.
  • Others argue that the deceleration upon impact is a critical factor in determining the impact force, with higher speeds resulting in greater deceleration and thus larger forces.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of kinetic energy in understanding the destructive potential of an object, suggesting that energy rather than force is a more relevant measure in this context.
  • There is a discussion about how the material being struck affects the force experienced, as different materials may absorb or transmit force differently based on their properties.
  • Some participants note that the dynamics of impact are complex and that factors such as air resistance and terminal velocity can influence the outcome, indicating that height alone may not determine the extent of damage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that speed and deceleration are important factors in determining impact force, but there is no consensus on whether force or kinetic energy is the more appropriate measure of destructive potential. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of impact dynamics and the role of different materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between height, speed, and impact force is influenced by various factors, including air resistance and the properties of the materials involved. There are also assumptions about the conditions under which the penny is dropped that may not be fully explored.

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If I were to drop a penny from empire state building it would do more damage than if i dropped it from standing distance. Why? F=MA. neither the penny's acceleration nor mass change when its falling so the forces on both pennies should be the same. The only solution i could come up with is that the acceleration comes from the deceleration caused when the penny hits the ground which would be bigger than the acceleration due to gravity and would be based on the time spent falling or in other words the height . am i correct?
 
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iknowsigularity said:
Why? F=MA

We should make this sentence into a meme.

The penny dropped from the empire state building is traveling at a higher speed when it impacts whatever it impacts on the ground,
 
HomogenousCow said:
We should make this sentence into a meme.

The penny dropped from the empire state building is traveling at a higher speed when it impacts whatever it impacts on the ground,
im aware but why does that affect force?
 
HomogenousCow said:
We should make this sentence into a meme.

The penny dropped from the empire state building is traveling at a higher speed when it impacts whatever it impacts on the ground,
F=MA Not F=MV
 
You were right that the deceleration when it hits the ground is what causes the impact force via f=ma. So higher speed = larger force (more deceleration needs to happen to make it stop).
 
russ_watters said:
You were right that the deceleration when it hits the ground is what causes the impact force via f=ma. So higher speed = larger force (more deceleration needs to happen to make it stop).
thank you!
 
I'd say the energy here is crucial, which is in turn connected to speed - kinetic energy (hope I don't have to write it down).
Ever heard that bullet has "that-and-that kJ"? This is how sometimes destructive potential of a weapon is given.

It is true that the "force" that penny will be applying to the object is connected to the deceleration - problem is, depending on what it will be hitting, the deceleration might differ greatly. Let's assume you're to hit some kind of weak material, that is easy to penetrate. Penny will go through, and "force" that will apply on its road further will be lower, than when it hits, say, a solid wall.

It is not really good, that in common language "force" is connected with hitting something hard, because force can change as quickly as speed, acceleration, or any other parameter is such experiment. What is almost constant (well, assuming there is energy loss due to friction to air) is the energy of that object, and that is what you should be looking at.

And while it, there is a speed, at which force of friction between air and the object in question is equal, meaning that you won't accelerate any further. So it doesn't matter from how far you throw that penny from - my wild guess would be, that you could throw it from 20m, and it would reach its "top speed" in air. That said, it won't reach any astronomic amounts of speed, and thus, speed, which means it won't be as destructive, as one might think. :=)

As a side now - for humans (welp), this height is about 50m, and approximate speed that human can be falling freely is about 200km/h.
 
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Perq said:
I'd say the energy here is crucial, which is in turn connected to speed - kinetic energy (hope I don't have to write it down).
Ever heard that bullet has "that-and-that kJ"? This is how sometimes destructive potential of a weapon is given.
Yes. Because the dynamics of the impact are very complicated and specific, force is rarely used to describe destructive potential; kinetic energy is better.
 

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