Why Does the Complex Conjugate Involve Negating the Argument Theta?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concept of complex conjugates, specifically why negating the argument theta results in the complex conjugate of a complex number. Participants explore the relationship between complex numbers, their conjugates, and trigonometric representations.

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  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the negation of theta in the context of complex conjugates.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical derivation showing that the square of the conjugate can be expressed in terms of cosine and sine functions, leading to the conclusion that negating the argument results in the conjugate.
  • Several participants mention Euler's Formula as a fundamental concept that aids in understanding the relationship between complex numbers and their conjugates.
  • There are suggestions to verify the relationship through algebraic manipulation and the application of double angle trigonometric formulas.
  • Some participants express a preference for different methods of explanation, indicating a variety of approaches to understanding the concept.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationships involved, but there is no consensus on the preferred method of explanation or derivation. Some participants express uncertainty about the clarity of the derivations presented.

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Some participants note the importance of fully understanding each step in the derivation process, suggesting that assumptions or steps may be overlooked in more elegant methods.

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This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in complex analysis, particularly those seeking to deepen their understanding of complex conjugates and their properties.

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Can someone please tell me why this is true? This isn't exactly the De Moivre's theorem. Thank you.
 

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If you try to justify that formula, where do you get stuck?
 
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$$\bar z^2=(x-yi)^2$$
$$\bar z^2=r^2(\cos\theta-i\sin\theta)^2$$
$$\bar z^2=r^2(\cos(2\theta)-i\sin(2\theta))$$
$$\bar z^2=r^2(\cos2\theta+i\sin(-2\theta))$$
$$\bar z^2=r^2(\cos(-2\theta)+i\sin(-2\theta))$$
I got it. Thanks.
 
What about:
$$\bar z^2 = (re^{-i\theta})^2 = r^2e^{-2i\theta} =r^2(\cos (-2\theta) +i\sin(-2\theta))$$
 
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PeroK said:
What about:
$$\bar z^2 = (re^{-i\theta})^2 = r^2e^{-2i\theta} =r^2(\cos (-2\theta) +i\sin(-2\theta))$$
I actually stated that I didn't want to use this method on the course chat haha.
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Thank you though! It is very neat.
 
Leo Liu said:
I actually stated that I didn't want to use this method on the course chat haha.
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Thank you though! It is very neat.
You should study each part you doubt until it is intuitive to you. It is very fundamental and important.
In words explain why:
If ##z=re^{i\theta}##, why does ##\bar{z}=re^{-i\theta}##?
Then why does ##\bar{z}^2=re^{-i2\theta}##?
etc.
 
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Many mathematicians consider Euler's Formula, ##e^{i\theta} = \cos{\theta} + i\sin{\theta}##, to be the most important equation in mathematics. You should get very comfortable with using it.
 
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You can also just to algebra on the conjugate expressed in terms of ##\theta##, and then apply double angle trig formulas, if you want to see it verified brute force. It works out very straightforward this way, though, of course, using exponentials is far more elegant.
 
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If z=reiθ, why does z¯=re−iθ?
I guess it's because $$\text{cis}(-\theta)=e^{-i\theta}$$. :wink:
 
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Leo Liu said:
I guess it's because $$\text{cis}(-\theta)=e^{-i\theta}$$. :wink:
Yes. Negating the imaginary part of ##z=x+iy = r(\cos\theta+ i\sin\theta)## to get ##\bar{z}= x-iy = r(\cos\theta- i\sin\theta)## is the same as negating the argument, ##\theta##, to get ##\bar{z}=r(\cos{(-\theta)} + i\sin{(-\theta)})= r(\cos\theta- i\sin\theta)##.

It looks like every line in your original post is correct (I didn't look hard at it.), but it is not clear how you got some lines and if you understood it. At least in the beginning, it is good practice to really spell everything out. You can skip some details after you are well beyond that level, but not before.
 
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