Why does the dot product in this solution equal zero?

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The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the dot product of vectors a and b in the context of an isosceles triangle proof. Participants clarify that the dot product does not need to equal zero for the proof to hold, as the relationship between the vectors can still be valid regardless of their angle. It is suggested that the authors may have mistakenly included the condition that a · b = 0, possibly due to a previous problem where the vectors were perpendicular. The consensus is that the proof remains intact without this assumption. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding vector relationships in geometric proofs.
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Homework Statement
Prove that the medians bisecting the equal sides of an isosceles triangle are equal.
Relevant Equations
a · b = |a| × |b| × cos(θ)
a · b = ax × bx + ay × by
Hi everyone

I have the solutions for the problem. It makes sense except for one particular step.

Why does the dot product of a and b equal zero? I thought this would only be the case if a and b were at right angles to each other. The solutions seem to be a general proof and should work for all isosceles triangles (not just right angle triangles).

The solution would still make sense even if a · b didn't equal zero. Why does it equal zero here?

Thanks

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Darkmisc said:
Homework Statement:: Prove that the medians bisecting the equal sides of an isosceles triangle are equal.
Relevant Equations:: a · b = |a| × |b| × cos(θ)
a · b = ax × bx + ay × by

Hi everyone

I have the solutions for the problem. It makes sense except for one particular step.

Why does the dot product of a and b equal zero? I thought this would only be the case if a and b were at right angles to each other. The solutions seem to be a general proof and should work for all isosceles triangles (not just right angle triangles).

The solution would still make sense even if a · b didn't equal zero. Why does it equal zero here?

Thanks

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I don't think you need a b = 0 for the proof to work.
Edit: Now I just saw that you wrote just that.
Maybe they just forgot the missing terms.
 
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Darkmisc said:
Homework Statement:: Prove that the medians bisecting the equal sides of an isosceles triangle are equal.
Relevant Equations:: a · b = |a| × |b| × cos(θ)
a · b = ax × bx + ay × by

Hi everyone

I have the solutions for the problem. It makes sense except for one particular step.

Why does the dot product of a and b equal zero? I thought this would only be the case if a and b were at right angles to each other. The solutions seem to be a general proof and should work for all isosceles triangles (not just right angle triangles).

The solution would still make sense even if a · b didn't equal zero. Why does it equal zero here?

Thanks

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I'll echo Philip Koeck above, it does not matter if ##a \cdot b = 0##. As you can see, if |a| = |b| then
##a \cdot a - a \cdot b + \dfrac{1}{4} b \cdot b = \dfrac{1}{4} a \cdot a - a \cdot b + b \cdot b##
whether ##a \cdot b = 0## or not. But (never trust a diagram!) it almost looks like the diagram has a and b perpendicular. It seems that this is the whole problem statement but is there somewhere that says a and b are perpendicular?

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
I'll echo Philip Koeck above, it does not matter if ##a \cdot b = 0##. As you can see, if |a| = |b| then
##a \cdot a - a \cdot b + \dfrac{1}{4} b \cdot b = \dfrac{1}{4} a \cdot a - a \cdot b + b \cdot b##
whether ##a \cdot b = 0## or not. But (never trust a diagram!) it almost looks like the diagram has a and b perpendicular. It seems that this is the whole problem statement but is there somewhere that says a and b are perpendicular?

-Dan
No, it wasn't specified that a and b are perpendicular. I also think Philip Koeck was right about them forgetting to delete a · b.

There was a previous problem in which a and b were perpendicular. Maybe that's what caused the authors to mistakenly say that a · b = 0 in the present problem.
 
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