Why does the sun have a black point and is it an optical effect?

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The discussion centers around the optical effects observed in photographs taken of the sun with a digital camera. Participants note that the images do not accurately represent the sun, with some suggesting that the appearance of black spots is due to the camera's CCD sensors being overloaded by the high intensity of sunlight. This overload can trigger anti-blooming circuitry, resulting in black pixels. Additionally, reflections from internal lens elements are identified as a cause for white spots seen in the images, which appear opposite the sun in the frame. There is a consensus that pointing a digital camera directly at the sun is risky and can potentially damage the camera, although some argue that it should not cause permanent harm if the camera is well-designed. Overall, the conversation highlights the technical limitations of digital cameras when capturing bright light sources like the sun.
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Why? It's a optic effect? It's taken with digital camera.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/15/solplayahm9.jpg

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7657/phot0047zc4.jpg

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Well it is certanly not an accurate picture of the sun. :smile:

Perhaps some faulty red eye detection mechanism.
 
Just a guess, but maybe the sensors on that part of the CCD are "off" (to protect the chip from possible damage from the high intensity sunlight)?

-GeoMike-
 
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Someone else recently posted similar pictures... Probably due to the high intensity of the sun.
 
Have you observed that in each photography also is a white point?
 
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If you read the instructions on your digital camera carefully, it will clearly indicate that you should never point the camera directly at the sun. You may have destroyed several of your CCD sensors.

Zz.
 
But when I don't take pictures to sun, don't appear black points.
 
This is typical. The CCD detectors are simply overloaded.
 
chuy said:
Have you observed that in each photography also is a white point?

That's interesting
 
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moose said:
That's interesting
Not really. It's just an reflection off some internal lens element.

The reason the black spots appears is because some kind of anti-blooming circuitry is kicking in for the severely over-exposed pixels. I'm no CCD expert, but I suspect there's a diode connected to each pixel well, and, when the charge in a well gets too large, it's completely dumped to ground, leaving the pixel black.

- Warren
 
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looks like a black circle made by the windows painter.

btw, there are two circles in each pic
 
  • #12
Theres a little black spot on sun today...The Police
{thats my soul up there}
 
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chuy said:
But when I don't take pictures to sun, don't appear black points.
Well, then consider yourself lucky and don't do it again...
 
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chuy said:
Have you observed that in each photography also is a white point?
That is interesting. Thouigh I think chroot has hit the nail on the head.
 
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The white spot, as I said, is just an internal reflection off one of the camera's lenses. Note how it's always directly opposite the optical axis (center of the picture) from the Sun itself.

- Warren
 
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Which is what I mean by 'hitting the nail'... i.e. a classic lens reflection.
 
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Oh, heh, I misunderstood your response. Leave it to me to hit the nail on the head, and then promptly lose the hammer.

- Warren
 
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chroot said:
... and then promptly lose the hammer.
Heeeeaaaads uuuuuuup! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


*Thunk*
 
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chroot said:
Oh, heh, I misunderstood your response. Leave it to me to hit the nail on the head, and then promptly lose the hammer.

- Warren
:smile: I need to remember that line; I think it'll come in useful. :biggrin:
 
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I'm almost positive you'll find several situations daily to use it.

and to hypatia. good one. at least someone is paying attention.
 
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The next time try using a mechanical camera :D
 
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this photo has made me think but made me think in a different angle. it is strange because the subject matter itself is strange but wonderful. All I can say at the moment is give me more time to come with a reason.
 
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chroot said:
I suspect there's a diode connected to each pixel well, and, when the charge in a well gets too large, it's completely dumped to ground, leaving the pixel black.

- Warren
So you're saying it is safe for the camera to be pointed directly at the sun?
 
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Well, you know how to make fire with a magnifying lens and the sun, don't you?
 
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Isn't it the same as looking at the sun? We 'burn' out part of our eye? Same applied to the camera?
 
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Similar, yes. I'd call it a bug in the camera's software, though. (I have an image editing program that does the same thing).
 
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It shouldn't permanently damage a properly-designed camera, at least over the duration of a snapshot.

- Warren
 

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