Why doesn't capacitance decrease with increase in temperature?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between temperature and capacitance in capacitors, exploring whether capacitance decreases with increasing temperature. Participants examine the effects of temperature on conductivity and dielectric properties, raising questions about the underlying mechanisms involved.

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  • One participant suggests that as temperature increases, the excitation of electrons in the dielectric should reduce its ability to resist charge flow, thus decreasing capacitance.
  • Another participant counters that the energy in a capacitor is stored in the electric field, implying that capacitance is not influenced by temperature changes.
  • A participant questions the initial reasoning, arguing that higher temperatures would lead to increased electron excitation, potentially affecting the capacitor's ability to hold charge.
  • One reply points out that the relationship between temperature and conductivity is complex, noting that while conductivity increases in some materials, it does not necessarily lead to increased capacitance.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of permittivity over conductivity in determining capacitance and suggests that increased molecular movement at higher temperatures could disrupt polarization, leading to decreased capacitance.

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Participants express differing views on the impact of temperature on capacitance, with no consensus reached. Some argue that capacitance decreases with temperature, while others maintain that it remains unaffected.

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Participants reference various assumptions about the behavior of materials at different temperatures, including the effects of conductivity and permittivity, but these assumptions remain unresolved within the discussion.

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why doesn't capacitance decrease with increase in temperature??

It is known that conductivity increases with temperature.This is because heat provides kinetic energy to the electrons in a substance,thus increasing the rate of "flow" of electrons.Considering this,the electrons in a dielectric in a capacitor should also get excited on heating.This means the electrons are more likely to break away from one end and would travel to the other end.This means that the CAPACITY OF THE DIELECTRIC TO RESIST THE FLOW OF CHARGES[which in fact the capacitance of dielectric in the given set up] MUST DECREASE,WITH INCREASE IN TEMPERATURE.
am i right or is there something more to it??
please help me.
 
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Energy in capacitor in stored in electric field between the plates of capacitor.By changing T you are not influencing C.Remember this
 


the question is-why? what is wrong in the explanation i have given?
Wouldn't increasing temperature excite the electrons and thus,reduce the ability of the dielectric to prevent the charges from flowing?
if you look at what a capacitor really is-it is a device that helps in maintaining a potential difference without allowing the charges to flow.It is this ability that is called capacitance.A good capacitor can hold more more charges without breaking down.But if the charges are highly excited[i.e, the temperature is very high],then the capacitor cannot "hold" them.So,at different temperatures,the same set up will have different capacitance.Isn't it?
 


ARAVIND113122 said:
It is known that conductivity increases with temperature.This is because heat provides kinetic energy to the electrons in a substance,thus increasing the rate of "flow" of electrons.Considering this,the electrons in a dielectric in a capacitor should also get excited on heating.This means the electrons are more likely to break away from one end and would travel to the other end.This means that the CAPACITY OF THE DIELECTRIC TO RESIST THE FLOW OF CHARGES[which in fact the capacitance of dielectric in the given set up] MUST DECREASE,WITH INCREASE IN TEMPERATURE.
am i right or is there something more to it??
please help me.

you have a few bad assumptions in your reasoning. from wiki...

Temperature dependence
In general, electrical resistivity of metals increases with temperature, while the resistivity of intrinsic semiconductors decreases with increasing temperature. In both cases, electron–phonon interactions can play a key role. At high temperatures, the resistance of a metal increases linearly with temperature. As the temperature of a metal is reduced, the temperature dependence of resistivity follows a power law function of temperature.

and to add to your misunderstanding... think of superconductors research and use...

They are not hot are they ? rather they are supercooled

cheers
Dave
 
If the conductivity is higher you don't get a higher capacitance, you get more leakage.
What you want it the permittivity. I looked up a capacitor data sheet, and there seems to be a maximum usually.

http://www.niccomp.com/Products/TC_Ceramics.pdf"

I think capacitance goes down for higher temperatures, because the random movement of the molecules will undo the polarization.
 
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