Why Don't Gas Mixtures Segregate in a Sealed Container?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of gas mixtures in sealed containers, specifically addressing why gases like a mixture of butane and air do not segregate into layers despite differences in density. Participants explore the implications of pressure and gravity on the mixing of gases.

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  • One participant asserts that gas mixtures do not segregate due to the constant movement of gas molecules.
  • Another participant suggests that increasing gravity, such as through centrifugation, could lead to segregation of the heavier gas components.
  • A participant questions whether gravity can indeed separate the mixture components and expresses concern about potential segregation of butane in a burner system when the gas mixture is stagnant.
  • There is speculation about whether segregation could occur at very low absolute pressures, with a request for clarification on how low the pressure would need to be for this to happen.

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Participants express differing views on the effects of gravity and pressure on gas segregation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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There are uncertainties regarding the conditions under which segregation might occur, particularly related to pressure levels and the role of gravity in gas mixtures.

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This discussion may be of interest to those involved in gas handling, combustion systems, and the study of gas dynamics in engineering and physics contexts.

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As I understand, a gas mixture, say 50% C4H10 and 50% Air, will not segregate and form layers with the heavier gas at the bottom even in a sealed container. This is due to the constant movement of gas molecules.

Is my understanding correct?

Does this depend on pressure?

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One way to separate it is to 'increase gravity', by spinning the gas in a centrifuge you can force the heavier gas to the outside and separate them.
 
So, does it mean that the gravity can separate the mixture components in layers?

Well, the context is like this:
We are trying to use Butane + Air mixture in place of Natural Gas in a burner and fire the mixture with additional air. That looks ok.
But worried that when we put of the system with the stagnat gas mixture in the piping, the elements could segragate and form layers with the Butane at the bottom. Going by the theory that, the pressure of the gas on the walls of the container is due to continuous bombardment of the gas molecules, there will be continuous mixing of the mixure components and the segregation will not take place.
May be the segregation could occur at very low absolute pressures? Then, how low pressure?
Is the worry justified at near atmospheric pressure range?
 

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