Why is solar radiation equal to long wavelength emission?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between solar radiation and long-wavelength emission in the context of heat transfer. Participants explore why solar radiation is considered equivalent to the heat radiated from surfaces, particularly when analyzing thermal equilibrium and energy balance in systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in their heat transfer course, solar radiation is treated as equal to long-wavelength radiation emission, prompting a question about the reasoning behind this equivalence.
  • Another participant suggests that this equivalence may arise when a system reaches thermal equilibrium, where the power in equals the power out.
  • A subsequent reply questions whether the addition of solar radiation, which adds energy to the system, should not lead to an increase in emission due to a rise in temperature.
  • Further, a participant agrees that an increase in solar gain would result in a rise in temperature, leading to increased radiation, and explains the dynamics of energy balance during different temperature states.
  • Examples are provided regarding how changes in temperature affect the balance of power in and out of a system, such as in a house heating scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of solar radiation on temperature and emission, indicating that there is no consensus on the exact relationship or conditions under which solar radiation equals long-wavelength emission.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding thermal equilibrium or the specific conditions under which solar radiation and long-wavelength emission are considered equal. The dynamics of energy balance in different temperature states remain complex and are not fully addressed.

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In my heat transfer course, I always had to do analysis of long-wavelength radiation between surfaces first, and find the heat radiated from one of the surface. Then, solar radiation is added to the problem, and suddenly it was said that solar radiation=heat radiated from this surface! Does anyone know why we take solar radiation to be equal to long wave radiation emission?
 
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Perhaps because it's reached thermal equilibrium eg temperature has stopped rising. Under that condition power in = power out.
 
CWatters said:
Perhaps because it's reached thermal equilibrium eg temperature has stopped rising. Under that condition power in = power out.
But then now the solar radiation adds energy to the system; shouldn’t the emission increase because now it receives more radiation than before? i.e. the solar radiation adds more energy to the surface than before, and thus should increase its temperature more, and thus its emission?
 
Yes, if solar gain increases then the temperature will rise and it will radiate more.

While temperature is rising solar gain > radiated loss.

When temperature is stable solar gain = radiated loss. The exact amount of gain/loss depends on the temperature and other factors.

While temperature is falling solar gain < radiated loss.Consider a house in winter. If you set the thermostat to 18C the house will eventually reach 18C. When its stable at 18C the power going into the house will be equal to the power lost through the walls. Let's say they are both 10kW.

If you turn up the thermostat to 20C the heating system will increase its output delivering more heat than the house is loosing and the temperature will rise and the losses increase.

Once the temperature is stable at 20C the power going into the house will again be equal to the power lost. However the loss will be greater because the temperature gradient through the wall will be higher. They might both be 11kW.
 
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