Why is the potential at the surface zero in this question....

In summary: This is just a convention, and the calculations for potential and electric field will give the same results regardless of where you set the zero.
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Homework Statement


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Consider an isotropic, homogenous dielectric sphere of radius R and constant relative permittivity ε, also permeated by a uniform free charge density ρ. Give an expression for the electrostatic potential V at the centre of the sphere by line integration of the electric field

Homework Equations


∫∫ D ⋅ dA = ∫∫∫ ρ dV

D = E εε0

The Attempt at a Solution



Using ∫∫ D ⋅ dA = ∫∫∫ ρ dV

D × 4πr2 = ρ 4 πr3 / 3

D = ρr / 3

Using D = E εε0

E = ρr / 3 εε0

My example answer states the following ' Assuming the potential at the surface is zero, and using a line integral to find potential V

V = - ∫ E ⋅ dl = ∫R0 ρr / 3 εε0 ⋅dr
Why is the potential the surface be zero? Also the potential at infinity is suppose to be zero so how can we also have zero at the surface

I know that a single charge has E =0 at the centre and it decreases radially out, but this question I am clueless
 
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JaneHall89 said:
Assuming the potential at the surface is zero,

i can not visualize the statement...pl. attach a copy of the exact page.

(one guess is there: assume R to be very large then one can take the potential to be vanishingly small and then can calculate the work done)

pl. you may take help of the following -page-23 of
http://web.mit.edu/8.02-esg/Spring03/www/8.02ch24we.pdf
 
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JaneHall89 said:
My example answer states the following ' Assuming the potential at the surface is zero, and using a line integral to find potential V

V = - ∫ E ⋅ dl = ∫R0 ρr / 3 εε0 ⋅dr

Why is the potential the surface be zero? Also the potential at infinity is suppose to be zero so how can we also have zero at the surface?
You can arbitrarily set the zero of potential anywhere you like. You can choose to set the zero to be at infinity or at the surface, but once you make a choice, you have to be consistent. If the potential is zero at the surface, it's not going to be zero at infinity.
 
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1. Why is the potential at the surface zero?

The potential at the surface is zero because it is the reference point for potential energy. This means that the potential energy at the surface is defined as zero, and any other points in the system are measured relative to this point.

2. What is the significance of having a zero potential at the surface?

The significance of having a zero potential at the surface is that it allows for easier calculations and comparisons between different points in the system. It also helps to simplify the understanding of the system, as all potential energies are measured from the same reference point.

3. Is the potential always zero at the surface?

No, the potential at the surface is not always zero. It depends on the system and the conditions. For example, in a uniform electric field, the potential at the surface would not be zero as it would vary depending on the distance from the source of the field.

4. How does the potential at the surface affect the behavior of particles in the system?

The potential at the surface does not directly affect the behavior of particles in the system. However, it is a crucial factor in determining the potential energy of particles at different points in the system, which can then affect their behavior and movement.

5. Can the potential at the surface be negative?

Yes, the potential at the surface can be negative. This would mean that the potential energy at the surface is less than that at the reference point. It is important to keep in mind that the value of potential energy is arbitrary, and what matters is the difference in potential energy between different points in the system.

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