Why masons can be massless but their composite quark and antiquark both massive?

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The discussion revolves around the question of how mesons can be massless while their constituent quark and antiquark are both massive. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and concepts related to particle mass, specifically in the context of quantum chromodynamics (QCD) and the implications of chiral symmetry and Goldstone bosons.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mass of mesons, suggesting a need for clarity on whether they can be massless despite their quark constituents being massive.
  • Another participant corrects the initial claim, stating that mesons do have mass and provides a rough comparison to the masses of protons and electrons.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of a hypothetical world with massless quarks, explaining that in such a scenario, mesons could also be massless due to their nature as Goldstone bosons arising from chiral symmetry breaking in QCD.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of discussing advanced concepts like the Nambu-Goldstone theorem with participants who may not have foundational knowledge about mesons and their masses.
  • Some participants express a willingness to simplify the discussion if needed, indicating a focus on ensuring understanding among all participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that mesons have mass, but there is disagreement on how to approach the explanation of this concept, particularly regarding the relevance of advanced theoretical frameworks. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to convey these ideas to those less familiar with the topic.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about participants' prior knowledge of particle physics concepts, such as chiral symmetry and the implications of the Goldstone theorem. The discussion also reflects varying levels of technical understanding among participants.

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How masons can be massless while their composites quark (q) and antiquark (\bar{q}) are both massive?

Is there any clear physical scenario to understand this?
 
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Osiris said:
How masons can be massless while their composites quark (q) and antiquark (\bar{q}) are both massive?

Is there any clear physical scenario to understand this?

Do you mean "mesons"? They are made up of a quark and an antiquark, but they are not massless.
 
Sylas is right, mesons actually do have mass. If I remember correctly, the mass is positive, the value being somewhere in-between that of a proton and electron.
 
This question is tricky.

If we had a world with exactly massles quarks, then we would have some exactly massless mesons, too. The meson mass zero comes from the fact that these mesons are the so-called Goldstone-bosons of the chiral symmtrey. [the Goldstone theorem says that spontaneous breaking of a continuous symmetry generates massles scalar particles; in case of QCD with massles quarks u,d you would have three massles mesons, namely the familiar pions; in case of QCD with massles quarks u,d,s you would have eight massles mesons, three of them are the familiar pions; ...]

Attention: other particles like vector mesons, nucleon and other stay massive even with massles quarks! Their masses are generated dynamically due to the QCD interaction.

If you now turn on some quark masses to become non-zero, the corresponding Goldstone bososn acquire a small non-zero mass.

Do you know what chiral symmetry of QCD is?
Do you understand the Goldstone theorem?
Do you know what spontanous symmetry breaking means?
 
Tom, while what you wrote is correct, it's probably not helpful to be discussing the Nambu-Goldstone theorem to someone who doesn't know that mesons all have mass, or even how to spell mesons. It's true...but probably not the best place to start.
 
Maybe you are right - but that's why I am asking questions as well. If Osiris comes back with more basic questions, we can continue, so let's wait and see ...
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Tom, while what you wrote is correct, it's probably not helpful to be discussing the Nambu-Goldstone theorem to someone who doesn't know that mesons all have mass, or even how to spell mesons. It's true...but probably not the best place to start.

Vanadium_50 is right. I can add only that apart from knowing 2+2=4, one must know that 2x2=3+1 here.

Bob.
 

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