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In QM by virtue of wave function we calculate any things. But in QFT it seems that there is a lacking of notion of wave function.I do not understand why QFT still goes well(it is a good theory to calculate any things)?
 
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fxdung said:
in QFT it seems that there is a lacking of notion of wave function.

More precisely, the notion of "wave function" as it is understood in non-relativistic QM becomes frame-dependent in QFT.

fxdung said:
I do not understand why QFT still goes well(it is a good theory to calculate any things)?

Because there are other ways of mathematically modeling quantum systems than wave functions. The fact that standard non-relativistic QM uses them does not mean any quantum theory has to use them.
 
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What do you mean when saying:"becomes frame dependent in QFT"?
 
fxdung said:
What do you mean when saying:"becomes frame dependent in QFT"?

QFT is a relativistic theory; "frame-dependent" in QFT means the same thing it means in any relativistic theory: that the quantity in question depends on your choice of reference frame.
 
fxdung said:
In QM by virtue of wave function we calculate any things. But in QFT it seems that there is a lacking of notion of wave function.I do not understand why QFT still goes well(it is a good theory to calculate any things)?
In QFT one has state vectors belonging to a Hilbert space, in the free case a Fock space. And one has linear operators acting on it, e.g., the smeared fields. Thus everything that makes QM work is still present in QFT.
 
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What is state vector in QFT if there are interactings?Is it exp{Ht}/Fock state>?
 
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In the interacting case the Hilbert space is a deformation of Fock space. In perturbation theory it is taken to be the Fock space of the corresponding free theory but this is an approximation only by Haag's theorem.
 
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Is the wave function that its variable is the field(Psi(Phi(x)) ) the same the vector states of Hilber space in QFT?
 
PeterDonis said:
QFT is a relativistic theory; "frame-dependent" in QFT means the same thing it means in any relativistic theory: that the quantity in question depends on your choice of reference frame.
If you define relativistic single-particle or many-body wave functions, which is possible to some extent at least for free massive particles, these are all frame-independent mathematical objects (spinor/tensor fields). Of course their components change as spinor/tensor-field components change under Poincare transformations.

That's not the point, why wave functions have only a limited meaning in relativistic QT. A wave function describes a system with a fixed number of particles. Under relativistic conditions, i.e., if you consider particles at "relativistic energies" (i.e., if the energy-transfer in collisions becomes of the order of the rest energy of any particles which may be produced according to the conservation laws) the particle number is not conserved but you can create and annihilate all kinds of particles (only restricted by the conservation laws). That's why relativistic QT is most efficiently described as a quantum field theory, which allows an elegant description of such creation/annihilation processes.

Only for QED there has been an alternative formulation in terms of wave functions for the electrons and positrons, known as "Dirac's hole formulation". It is pretty complicated and confusing, but it is in fact mathematically equivalent to QED in the usual QFT formulation.
 
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fxdung said:
Is the wave function that its variable is the field(Psi(Phi(x)) ) the same the vector states of Hilber space in QFT?
The question as phrased makes no sense.

Read in Wikipedia about Fock space to inform yourself about how state vectors in free QFT look like.
 
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vanhees71 said:
If you define relativistic single-particle or many-body wave functions, which is possible to some extent at least for free massive particles, these are all frame-independent mathematical objects (spinor/tensor fields).

Spinor/tensor fields can be frame-independent, but "wave function" as it is used in non-relativistic QM means the state of the system at some time; the "at some time" part must be frame-dependent for many-body systems (and even for single-particle systems if the particle is, say, a photon that has gone through a beam splitter).
 
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You may have seen the "in-a-box" quantization of a classical field, where each mode of oscillation of the field is a harmonic oscillator. If you "cut off" the higher energy modes so that you only have a finite number of modes, then you have a multi-dimensional harmonic oscillator, so you do have a notion of wave function, but it is not a function of x,y,z. It is mathematically possible to do this in an infinite dimensional space (with out the energy cut off). I think @A. Neumaier has explained this somewhere better than I can.
 
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fxdung said:
But in QFT it seems that there is a lacking of notion of wave function.
That's wrong at several levels. First, in non-relativistic QFT there is a wave function in the position space, with the same interpretation as in QM. Second, in relativistic QFT there is a wave function in the momentum space, with the same interpretation as in QM. Third, in relativistic QFT there is a wave function in the position space, but with a different interpretation than in QM. Fourth, in QFT a natural space is neither the position nor the momentum space, but the field space. In the field space, the quantum state is represented by a wave functional, which is a generalization of a function.
 
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Demystifier said:
Fourth, in QFT a natural space is neither the position nor the momentum space, but the field space. In the field space, the quantum state is represented by a wave functional, which is a generalization of a function.

This is often repeated, but from what I've seen there isn't a rigorous way to do any quantum mechanics with a space of wave functionals. Even in the case of the free klein gordon fields, all the states of interest are horribly ill-defined distributional integrals where the normalization is simply hand-waved away.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
This is often repeated, but from what I've seen there isn't a rigorous way to do any quantum mechanics with a space of wave functionals. Even in the case of the free klein gordon fields, all the states of interest are horribly ill-defined distributional integrals where the normalization is simply hand-waved away.
Well, many things in QFT aren't rigorous. For instance, the famous calculation of ##g-2## is also not rigorous, because it is based on renormalization and regularization of ill-defined divergent loop integrals. Yet the final result agrees with experiments up to many digits. My point is that the absence of rigor in QFT is not such a big problem from a practical point of view because one can always make things well defined by some (more or less ad hoc) regularization.
 
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Demystifier said:
Well, many things in QFT aren't rigorous. For instance, the famous calculation of ##g-2## is also not rigorous, because it is based on renormalization and regularization of ill-defined divergent loop integrals. Yet the final result agrees with experiments up to many digits. My point is that the absence of rigor in QFT is not such a big problem from a practical point of view because one can always make things well defined by some (more or less ad hoc) regularization.

I'm aware, what I'm saying is that the wave functional formalism is especially ill-defined even by QFT standards.
 
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All good and bad results of the full interacting (even non-abelian) QFT have been derived (with the same level of “rigor”) from the formal solution of the Schrodinger equation in the “coordinate” |\psi \rangle basis (or the “momentum” |\pi \rangle basis): \Psi [\psi , t] = \int \mathcal{D}\psi_{0} \ \langle \psi |e^{-iHt}|\psi_{0}\rangle \Psi [\psi_{0} , 0] , where \langle \psi |e^{-iHt}|\psi_{0}\rangle \equiv G[\psi , t ; \psi_{0},0], is the amplitude for the field in the configuration \psi_{0} (\vec{x}) at t = 0 to evolve to \psi (\vec{x}) at t. In fact it is not hard to show that G[\psi , t ; \psi_{0},t_{0}] = \int \mathcal{D}\psi^{\prime} \ e^{iS[\psi^{\prime}]} , where S[\psi] is the classical action. And this is nothing but the Feynman path integral in QFT.
 
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Demystifier said:
Third, in relativistic QFT there is a wave function in the position space, but with a different interpretation than in QM.
What is the interpretation of wave funtion in position space in relativistic QFT?
 
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fxdung said:
What is the interpretation of wave funtion in position space in relativistic QFT?
Even though ##|{\bf x}\rangle## is no longer interpreted as a position eigenstate (because the corresponding position operator would not be Lorentz covariant), in 1-particle sector of QFT one can still define the states ##|{\bf x}\rangle## which obey
$$
\int d^3x |{\bf x}\rangle\langle {\bf x}|=1
$$
So if ##\pi## is a projector (for instance, it can be ##\pi=|{\bf p}\rangle\langle {\bf p}|## where ##|{\bf p}\rangle## is a momentum eigenstate), then the corresponding probability can be computed as
$$
p=\langle\psi|\pi|\psi\rangle=\int d^3x\int d^3x'\,
\langle\psi|{\bf x}\rangle\langle {\bf x}|\pi|{\bf x}'\rangle\langle {\bf x'}|\psi\rangle
=\int d^3x\int d^3x'\, \psi^*({\bf x}) \langle {\bf x}|\pi|{\bf x}'\rangle \psi({\bf x}')
$$
A similar generalization is also possible for the ##n##-particle sector.
 
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HomogenousCow said:
This is often repeated, but from what I've seen there isn't a rigorous way to do any quantum mechanics with a space of wave functionals. Even in the case of the free klein gordon fields, all the states of interest are horribly ill-defined distributional integrals where the normalization is simply hand-waved away.
Functional methods are among the most important tools to study QFTs. Of course you have to renormalize the divergences due to the difficult handling of distributions and products of distributions as with any other method. The most elegant way in the path-integral approach is the heat-kernel approach, which is closely related to Schwinger's world-line formalism. Of course, you can also use the operator formalism to formulate the functional approach. A nice book is

B. Hatfield, Quantum Field Theory of Point Particles and
Strings, Addison-Wesley, Reading, Massachusetts, 10 edn.
(1992).
 
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HomogenousCow said:
the wave functional formalism is especially ill-defined even by QFT standards.
No. See, e.g., the work by Jackiw cited here. There is a lot one can do with wave functionals that cannot be done easily with perturbation theory. The quantization of solitons and instantons are well-known examples.
 
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Demystifier said:
Even though |x⟩ is no longer interpreted as a position eigenstate (because the corresponding position operator would not be Lorentz covariant)
Please explain more detail why the /x> is no longer interpreted as a position eigenstate in relativistic QFT.Why can we say that because corresponding position operator is not Lorentz covariant?
 
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fxdung said:
Please explain more detail why the /x> is no longer interpreted as a position eigenstate in relativistic QFT.Why can we say that because corresponding position operator is not Lorentz covariant?
Which part was not clear? Why is it not Lorentz covariant, or why the absence of Lorentz covariance is a problem?
 
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Please explain both of them.
 
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fxdung said:
Please explain both of them.
It's a complex subject, the proper treatment of which would require a separate thread. But here is a simple answer.

(i) The absence of Lorentz invariance:
Let ##|{\bf x}\rangle## be a position eigenstate. Then
$$\langle{\bf x}_1|{\bf x}_2\rangle=\delta^3({\bf x}_1-{\bf x}_2)$$
But ##\delta^3({\bf x}_1-{\bf x}_2)## is not a Lorentz invariant function. If you make a Lorentz transformation ##{\bf x}\to{\bf x}'({\bf x},t)##, ##t\to t'({\bf x},t)##, then
$$\delta^3({\bf x}_1-{\bf x}_2)\neq \delta^3({\bf x}'_1-{\bf x}'_2)$$

(ii) Why is that a problem?
In classical special relativistic physics, the particle position is a Lorentz 4-vector ##x=(t,{\bf x})##. So naturally one would expect something similar in quantum physics, perhaps that the quantum position eigenstate is something like ##|x\rangle## satisfying
$$\langle x_1| x_2\rangle=\delta^4(x_1-x_2)=\delta^3({\bf x}_1-{\bf x}_2)\delta( t_1-t_2)$$
But this cannot be true is standard quantum theory, because time is not treated like that in standard quantum theory. Hence position of a particle cannot be Lorentz covariant in standard quantum theory in a way it is covariant in classical theory. That's a problem because one expects that a notion of a particle position should make sense in any Lorentz frame, not in just one. But in my opinion that's not such a serious problem if one thinks of the quantum position not as a property of the particle itself (which should be Lorentz covariant), but as a property of a response of the apparatus that measures the position (which defines a preferred Lorentz frame, namely the one with respect to which the apparatus is at rest).
 
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PeterDonis said:
Because there are other ways of mathematically modeling quantum systems than wave functions. The fact that standard non-relativistic QM uses them does not mean any quantum theory has to use them.

Just to elaborate further see:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2fb0/4475228ff385a44a16e3ba42b432d3bf5b17.pdf

QFT is related more to formulation F with the added feature that a state can be in a superposition of particle numbers. It belongs to a rather strange space called a Fock space:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2fb0/4475228ff385a44a16e3ba42b432d3bf5b17.pdf

Thanks
Bill
 
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fxdung said:
What is state vector in QFT if there are interactings?
If you are more ok with the wave-function for free fields, you can maybe make the transit to interacting fields more easily looking at the non-perturbative result of the Källén-Lehmann decomposition that obtains interacting QFT two-point correlation functions from the sum of free propagators that can always be Fourier transformed between momentum and position.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
In the interacting case the Hilbert space is a deformation of Fock space.

Apologies if this is a question which merits its own thread (and if it is, I'm happy to start one), but this isn't always true, correct? One needs some further assumptions (say, a mass gap)?
 
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king vitamin said:
Apologies if this is a question which merits its own thread (and if it is, I'm happy to start one), but this isn't always true, correct? One needs some further assumptions (say, a mass gap)?
The massless case is less well understood because a nontrivial superselection structure appears. But I think my characterisation is still valid since the term deformation is not very specific. For example, asymptotic particles turn into infraparticles with nonintegral anomalous dimensions. But the deviations from integrality go to zero with the interaction strength, justifying the term deformation.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
The massless case is less well understood because a nontrivial superselection structure appears. But I think my characterisation is still valid since the term deformation is not very specific. For example, asymptotic particles turn into infraparticles with nonintegral anomalous dimensions. But the deviations from integrality go to zero with the interaction strength, justifying the term deformation.

Interesting, thanks. I would guess things get hairier in cases where one doesn't have any sense of a weak-coupling, like certain CFTs. I would also guess that 2d CFTs are at least better understood since mathematicians have spent a lot of time with them, but as far as I'm aware their Hilbert space is largely studied on the cylinder where the spectrum is gapped anyways.
 
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king vitamin said:
Interesting, thanks. I would guess things get hairier in cases where one doesn't have any sense of a weak-coupling, like certain CFTs. I would also guess that 2d CFTs are at least better understood since mathematicians have spent a lot of time with them, but as far as I'm aware their Hilbert space is largely studied on the cylinder where the spectrum is gapped anyways.
The 2D case is quite well understood, as there are many exactly solvable models in 2 spacetime dimensions, and many others. Many exactly solvable models do not have a Fock space like structure, and cannot be deformed into Fock spaces.

But 2D is also very exceptional, featuring things like nonstandard statistics, bosonization and fermionization, and quantum group symmetries, all of which are absent in 4D. Thus extrapolating from 2D to 4D is a dangerous business.
 
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Demystifier said:
The absence of Lorentz invariance:
Let be a position eigenstate. Then

Position can be defined with respect to a reference frame, i.e., on a "simultaneity hypersurface" ##\Sigma_\mu##. When passing from one reference frame to another, the hypersurface ##\Sigma_\mu## transforms as a Lorentz 4-vector. Position on the hypersurface can be denoted by a 4-vector ##{\bar x}\equiv {\bar x}^\mu##, ##\mu=0,1,2,3##.
The quantum position states are ##|{\bar x} \rangle##, and they satisfy
$$\langle {\bar x}_1|{\bar x}_2 \rangle = \delta^4 ({\bar x}_1 - {\bar x}_2) ,$$
which is a covariant relation. Namely, it has the same form in all Lorentz reference frames, i.e., in another frame it reads
$$\langle {\bar x}'_1|{\bar x}'_2 \rangle = \delta^4 ({\bar x}'_1 - {\bar x}'_2),$$
where the primed position 4-vectors are Lorentz transforms of the unprimed ones.
This was just a quick, superficial explanation aiming at pointing out the difference between invariance and covariance, giving an idea that all this subject of relativistic position states can be formulated covariantly. More explanation can be found in the article
Manifestly Covariant Canonical Quantization of the Scalar Field and Particle Localization
and in the chapter "Particle Position in Quantum Field Theories" of the book
https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/11738
 
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pavsic said:
The quantum position states are ##|{\bar x} \rangle##, and they satisfy
$$\langle {\bar x}_1|{\bar x}_2 \rangle = \delta^4 ({\bar x}_1 - {\bar x}_2) ,$$
which is a covariant relation.

But this doesn't work as soon as you have more than one particle. There is no way to covariantly write down a state with two particles at different positions.
 
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PeterDonis said:
But this doesn't work as soon as you have more than one particle. There is no way to covariantly write down a state with two particles at different positions.
Why not
$$\langle x_1,x_2|x'_1,x'_2\rangle =\delta^4(x_1-x'_1) \delta^4(x_2-x'_2)?$$
Do you see anything wrong with that?
 
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Well, as usual the solution is the quantum-field theoretical approach. There you also clearly can answer the question whether there exist position operators in the usual sense or not. The result is that for free (and thus also asymptotic free) fields, which have a clear "particle interpretation" all fields corresponding to a massive representation of the proper orthochronous Poincare group allow for a position operator all massless fields with spin ##\geq 1## don't.

In QFT you naturally get a Poincare invariant description. The physics is contained in the appropriate autocorrelation functions of field-operator products. In the usual case of "vacuum QFT", used to describe scattering reactions in terms of the S-matrix, you need the time-ordered products; for thermal-equilibrium many-body theory you can work with the Matsubara formalism and use analytic continuation to retarded propagators to at least cover linear-response theory (via the famous Green-Kubo relation); for the general non-equilibrium case you need all kinds of ##N##-point functions of the Schwinger-Keldysh real-time contour (or equivalently other time contours, representing e.g., the thermofield formalism). For reviews, see

N. P. Landsmann and C. G. van Weert, Real- and
Imaginary-time Field Theory at Finite Temperature and
Density, Physics Reports 145, 141 (1987),
https://doi.org/10.1016/0370-1573(87)90121-9.

K. Chou, Z. Su, B. Hao and L. Yu, Equilibrium and
Nonequilibrium Formalisms made unified, Phys. Rept. 118, 1
(1985), https://doi.org/10.1016/0370-1573(85)90136-X.

P. Henning, Thermo field dynamics for quantum fields with
continuous mass spectrum, Phys. Rept. 253, 235 (1995),
https://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0370-1573(94)00083-F.
 
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PeterDonis said:
But this doesn't work as soon as you have more than one particle. There is no way to covariantly write down a state with two particles at different positions.

Of course it works. As stated by Demystifier, one can write a two particle state as
$$|{\bar x}_1,{\bar x}_2 \rangle ,$$
where ##{\bar x}_1## and ##{\bar x}_2## are the positions on a given simultaneity hypersurface ##\Sigma_\mu .##

A generic state of ##N## particles is a superposition of basis states
$$
|\Psi \rangle = \sum_{r=1}^N d \Sigma_1 d\Sigma_2 ...d \Sigma_r \psi(s,\bar x_1,\bar x_2,...,\bar x_r)
a^\dagger (\bar x_1) a^\dagger (\bar x_2) ... a^\dagger (\bar x_r) |0\rangle.$$
Here ##\psi(s,\bar x_1,\bar x_2,...,\bar x_r)##, ##r=1,2,3,...,N##, are multiparticle wave functions, and ##a^\dagger (\bar x_r)## the operators that create particles at positions ##{\bar x}_r## on the hypersurface ##\Sigma##. Notice the "bar" over ##x##, which denotes that the ##\bar x## is on the hypersurface.

A wave function in QFT is thus a multicomponent object, namely, a set of wave functions ##\psi(s,\bar x_1,\bar x_2,...,\bar x_r)## for ##r=1,2,3,..,N##. They are "coefficients" of the expansion of a state ##|\Psi \rangle## in terms of the basis states
$$|{\bar x}_1,{\bar x}_2, ...,\bar x_r \rangle = a^\dagger (\bar x_1) a^\dagger (\bar x_2) ... a^\dagger (\bar x_r) |0\rangle . $$
In the presence of an interaction, there are in general transitions between those basis states (of the Fock space). The normalization of such multicomponent wave function is over the whole Fock space. A single component ##\psi(s,\bar x_1,\bar x_2,...,\bar x_r)## for a fixed ##r## is not normalized; its absolute square can change during the evolution of the system.

Position operator can be defined covariantly as
$${\hat {\bar x}}^\mu = \int d \Sigma \, a^\dagger ({\bar x}) {\bar x}^\mu a({\bar x}).$$
In a particular Lorentz reference frame in which ##{\bar x}^\mu = (0,x^1,x^2,x^3) \equiv (0, {\bf x})##, which is then written as ##{\bf x}##, we obtain the usual non covariant definition of the position operator.
Again, I was superficial in this explanation. For a more exhaustive discussion see https://inspirehep.net/literature/1667079 and
https://www.worldscientific.com/worldscibooks/10.1142/11738
 
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pavsic said:
The quantum position states are ##|{\bar x} \rangle##, and they satisfy
$$\langle {\bar x}_1|{\bar x}_2 \rangle = \delta^4 ({\bar x}_1 - {\bar x}_2) ,$$
which is a covariant relation.

Demystifier said:
Why not
$$\langle x_1,x_2|x'_1,x'_2\rangle =\delta^4(x_1-x'_1) \delta^4(x_2-x'_2)?$$
Do you see anything wrong with that?

Actually, I was misreading before. I see now that you are using ##\delta^4## functions. In that case, I don't understand what these states are supposed to mean. They seem to describe events in spacetime, not particles--the first state describes one event, and the second describes two. How are these "particle" states at all?
 
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They cannot be particle states at all since this means that the particles are popping up for an infinitesimal small time intervall at ##t_1'## and ##t_2'## at places ##\vec{x}_1'## and ##\vec{x}_2'## respectively. That doesn't make sense. One should also be aware that "particle interpretations" in relativistic QFT have a well-defined meaning only in asymptotic free states.
 
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Pavsic and Demystifier are discussing particles quantum position operators, there seems to be some clutter here by adding unrelated "particle states" to the discussion.
 
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Tendex said:
Pavsic and Demystifier are discussing particles quantum position operators

How are they "particle position operators"? That's the part I don't get. They seem like operators that pick out a particular event in spacetime, not the position of a particle in space.
 
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PeterDonis said:
How are they "particle position operators"? That's the part I don't get. They seem like operators that pick out a particular event in spacetime, not the position of a particle in space.
I'm not sure why you bring up events here but anyway these are quantum fields being discussed, we have certain number of particles (not just a-particle which wouldn't make much sense with identical particles in second quantization to decipher what state corresponds to what particle, as mentioned by vanhees71 above "particle" states don't make much sense in this context) assigned position state/s in the wavefunction view of free quantum fields. Just that. Unless they were referring to something else.
 
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Tendex said:
I'm not sure why you bring up events here

Because that's what it looks like the states given in post #32, #34, and #36 describe. It doesn't look to me like those states describe "particle positions", but that's what they are claimed to describe in those posts.
 
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PeterDonis said:
They seem to describe events in spacetime, not particles--the first state describes one event, and the second describes two. How are these "particle" states at all?
How about an event in which the particle is detected at the spacetime point ##x##?
 
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vanhees71 said:
They cannot be particle states at all since this means that the particles are popping up for an infinitesimal small time intervall at ##t_1'## and ##t_2'## at places ##\vec{x}_1'## and ##\vec{x}_2'## respectively.
Recall that Schwinger makes sense of such states in his proper time method. Essentially, one introduces an additional time variable: the proper time ##s##. Classically, it corresponds to a particle having the spacetime position ##x## at any value of proper time ##s##. See the attached classic paper by Schwinger, especially Eq. (2.40).
 

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Tendex said:
Pavsic and Demystifier are discussing particles quantum position operators, there seems to be some clutter here by adding unrelated "particle states" to the discussion.
To define eigenstates of an observable operator you first need an observable. For massive particles you can define a position operator and also (generalized) position eigenstates.

Time is never an observable in quantum theory, because otherwise you'd never have a theory with a stable ground state. That's why the only relevant relativistic QT is in terms of relativistic QFT, and you have to construct the position operator using the quantum fields. For a review, see

https://arnold-neumaier.at/physfaq/topics/position.html
 
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Demystifier said:
Recall that Schwinger makes sense of such states in his proper time method. Essentially, one introduces an additional time variable: the proper time ##s##. Classically, it corresponds to a particle having the spacetime position ##x## at any value of proper time ##s##. See the attached classic paper by Schwinger, especially Eq. (2.40).
I know the world-line formalism, but this doesn't make time an observable!
 
  • #47
PeterDonis said:
How are they "particle position operators"? That's the part I don't get. They seem like operators that pick out a particular event in spacetime, not the position of a particle in space.

They pick out the position of a particle in space. Recall what is "space". It is just a time slice, i.e., a hypersurface ##\Sigma_\mu## oriented so the that ##\Sigma_\mu = (0,\Sigma_i)##, ##i=1,2,3##. But it can be oriented differently (or observed from another reference frame), so that also the component ##\Sigma_0 \neq 0##. A position on such hypersurface is given by the projection of coordinates ##x^\mu## onto ##\Sigma_\mu## by means of the projection operator ##{P^\mu}_\nu={\delta^\mu}_\nu- n^\mu n_\nu##, where ##n^\mu## is the normal unit vector to ##\Sigma_\mu##. Position on such generally oriented hypersurface ##\Sigma_\mu## is then
$${\bar x}^\mu = {P^\mu}_\nu x^\nu.$$
That is the tangential (to the ##\Sigma_\mu##) part of the spacetime position ##x^\mu##.
The normal part (to the ##\Sigma_\mu##) is
$$s=x^\mu n_\mu.$$
When we write an action, e.g., for a scalar field, we integrate the Lagrangian over the spacetime volume element ##d t \,d^3 {\bf x}##.
This 4-volume element is in the particular reference frame in which the normal to ##\Sigma_\mu## is ##n^\mu = (1,0,0,0)## so that ##\Sigma_\mu = (0,d^3 {\bf x})##. In general, the volume element is ##d s \, d \Sigma##, where ##d \Sigma = n^\mu \epsilon_{\mu \nu \rho \sigma} d \bar x^\nu d \bar x^\rho d \bar x^\sigma##.

One can then repeat in such a covariant manner the whole procedure of the quantiztion of the scalar field, write the Newto-Wigner position operator, position creation operator, etc. We then arrive at the covariant form of the wave function ##\psi(s,\bar x^\mu)##, where instead of ##t## stands ##s##. It is covariant, because if you change the coordinates (reference frame) we have the relation ##\psi(s,\bar x^\mu)=\psi'(s',{\bar x}'^\mu)##.

Here I wanted to formulate the usual QFT and the role of particle position. The other thing is the Stueckelberg theory (or Fock-Schwinger formalism) that employs the invariant evolution parameter ##\tau##. In that formalism ##\tau## is not observable, but the spacetime coordinates ##x^\mu## are considered as observables. In that formalism, the wave function is ##\psi(\tau,x^\mu).##
 
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Demystifier said:
How about an event in which the particle is detected at the spacetime point ##x##?

First, that's not what @pavsic is claiming:

pavsic said:
They pick out the position of a particle in space.

Second, while individual particle detections happen at particular spacetime points, that's what quantum field operators are for--those operators are "attached" to particular points in spacetime. But this thread is about wave functions, which aren't. And this particular subthread is (I thought) about "particle positions", which aren't attached to particular points in spacetime either.
 
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pavsic said:
They pick out the position of a particle in space.

No, they don't. You aren't using 3-D delta functions ##\delta^3##. You are using 4-D delta functions ##\delta^4##. That picks out points in spacetime, not space.

pavsic said:
Recall what is "space". It is just a time slice, i.e., a hypersurface oriented so the that , . But it can be oriented differently (or observed from another reference frame)

What you appear to be trying to do here is pick out the hypersurface and hold that constant while making a Lorentz transformation. That's not what changing frames does. When you change frames, you change hypersurfaces: a different set of hypersurfaces become the "surfaces of constant time" that particle positions are supposed to be points in.
 
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PeterDonis said:
First, that's not what @pavsic is claiming:
Second, while individual particle detections happen at particular spacetime points, that's what quantum field operators are for--those operators are "attached" to particular points in spacetime. But this thread is about wave functions, which aren't. And this particular subthread is (I thought) about "particle positions", which aren't attached to particular points in spacetime either.
Well, but that's the problem. Wave functions do not make too much sense for relativistic QT, at least not the same sense as they make in non-relativistic QM, and that's the problem here. All you can say from relativistic QFT are detection probabilities of a particle (i.e., an asymptotic free state, where a particle interpretation is possible) with a detector at a given position. This information is formally encoded in the field-operator autorcorrelation functions (aka ##N##-point Green's functions).
 
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