Why there is dc component in square signal

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the presence of a DC component in a square wave signal detected by a digital oscilloscope. Participants explore potential causes for this phenomenon, including the influence of internal resistance, impedance, and characteristics of the signal generator.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the DC component may be due to the internal resistance of the coaxial cable used.
  • Another participant proposes that the internal impedance of the oscilloscope could be a contributing factor.
  • A different participant mentions that the DC component might stem from a small error in the signal generator and suggests using a large capacitor in series or selecting "AC input" to eliminate it.
  • One participant acknowledges that the square wave is likely not perfectly symmetrical (50/50) due to rise time, which could introduce a DC component.
  • Another participant calculates that a 17 mV DC error in a ±1 V signal represents an error of approximately 1%, which they believe would be difficult to detect on an oscilloscope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the causes of the DC component, and while some suggestions are made, there is no consensus on the primary reason or the best solution to the issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention factors such as rise time and input/output resistance, but these are not fully explored or resolved within the discussion.

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hi!
when I send a square wave to a digital oscilloscope it detects the signal + dc signal. I wanted to know why. I was thinking about internal resistance of coaxial cable i was using.

signal got out of an oscilloscope/wave generator and in channel A of the same oscilloscope/wg. It was +-1 V, while dc component was something like 17 mV.
 
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or probably it is due to internal impedance of the oscilloscope?
 
giulioo said:
hi!
when I send a square wave to a digital oscilloscope it detects the signal + dc signal. I wanted to know why. I was thinking about internal resistance of coaxial cable i was using.

signal got out of an oscilloscope/wave generator and in channel A of the same oscilloscope/wg. It was +-1 V, while dc component was something like 17 mV.
This sounds like a small error in the generator. You can remove all DC component by placing a large capacitor in series with the oscilloscope, or selecting "AC input". It is possible that the square wave is not exactly "50/50".
 
well the wave is for sure not exactly 50/50 because of rise time. I haven't thought about it anyway. I will meditate upon it, i mean, rise time could add a dc component.
Do you think input and output resistance could not affect signal in such way too?
I already removed the dc component using an offset.
thank you for your advice!
 
giulioo said:
It was +-1 V, while dc component was something like 17 mV.
17mV DC error in a signal of ±1V - that is an error of ≈ 1%. I would not be able to see that on an oscilloscope. And, as you said, the signal generator might easily give an error of that size.
 

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