Why Wavelength of Light Changes in Refraction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of light refraction and the changes in wavelength and frequency as light transitions between different media. Participants explore the underlying principles of wave behavior, particularly focusing on the relationship between speed, wavelength, and frequency in the context of electromagnetic waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is the frequency, wavelength, or both that change when light enters a different medium, given that the speed of light changes.
  • One participant argues that the medium only determines the speed of the wave and does not alter the wave's information, using an analogy of mechanical pulses in wires of different densities.
  • Another participant asserts that the phase of an electromagnetic wave must remain continuous across a boundary, implying that frequency remains constant while wavelength changes due to the change in speed.
  • A later reply challenges the reasoning behind the assertion that frequency remains constant, suggesting that the relationship between wavelength and frequency may not be straightforward, especially in the context of different colors of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether frequency or wavelength changes during refraction, with no consensus reached on the matter. Some support the idea that frequency remains constant while others question this assumption.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts from Thomas Young's experiments and the implications of wavefront behavior, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that may not be universally accepted or clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying wave mechanics, optics, or anyone exploring the principles of light behavior in different media.

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When light or any other electromagnetic wave enters from one medium to another, there is a change in its speed. Speed of a wave is given as v = frequency x wavelength. My question is, what does change, frequency, wavelength or both?

If you say... this change in speed is generally attributed to change in wavelength. then again my question is, why the medium discriminates between wavelength and frequency of the incoming wave?
 
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The medium only determines the speed of the wave it does not destroy any portion of the wave nor does it generate anything.The information is conserved.Imagine you have two connected wires with different densities. If you send mechanical pulse you will see that the speed and length change as it passes from one wire to the other but the pulse will not disappear or be split into multiple pulses.
 


bp_psy said:
The medium only determines the speed of the wave it does not destroy any portion of the wave nor does it generate anything.The information is conserved.Imagine you have two connected wires with different densities. If you send mechanical pulse you will see that the speed and length change as it passes from one wire to the other but the pulse will not disappear or be split into multiple pulses.

Well and good bp_psy, but i want to know why we always say that wavelength changes and frequancy remains the same as the speed of the wave (it will be better consider light waves) took a different value upon refraction.
 


Nature requires that the phase of an EM wave must remain continuous across a boundary. In order for the phase to be continuous for all time the frequency must be constant.

Therefore, it is the wavelength that must change upon a change in velocity.

Claude.
 


maizaz said:
When light or any other electromagnetic wave enters from one medium to another, there is a change in its speed. Speed of a wave is given as v = frequency x wavelength. My question is, what does change, frequency, wavelength or both?

If you say... this change in speed is generally attributed to change in wavelength. then again my question is, why the medium discriminates between wavelength and frequency of the incoming wave?

It's the other way round. The difference in Propagation Speed makes the wavelength different. The speed is the primary quantity - a single pulse (with no explicit wavelength - no repetition) will still propagate at a speed through a medium.
 


The answer given by Claude Bile seems more reasonable to me, thank you all.
 


From Thomas Young's experiments it was concluded that:
(the distances between the interference tossils on the film are that much)=>
(the distance between two most macrocosmic wavefronts at the spece between the slits and the film is the waveleghth λ)
thus that the distance between two wavefronts of the red light λ1, and it's λ2 of the blue light. But (if the definition of frequency is how many wavefronts pass through a surface in 1 sec), the conclusion that the frequency of red light is f1 and of blue light is f2, needs both the previous conclusion, and the supposition that the wavefronts of both the red and the blue light run with the same speed c, otherwise the frequencies of red and blue are not the known f1 and f2.

Now, can you explain what you mean by "the phase of an EM wave must remain continuous across a boundary. In order for the phase to be continuous for all time the frequency must be constant. Therefore, it is the wavelength that must change upon a change in velocity"? The wavelength could change if the wavelength is not the only difference between red and blue light. But that "the wavelength must change in order for the frequency to remain the same because..."?
 
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