Why we can say electron emit radiation when it is accelerating?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the acceleration of electrons and their wave-like behavior, particularly in the context of electron diffraction and wave-particle duality. Participants explore concepts of radiation, kinetic energy, and the implications of acceleration on the properties of electrons.

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  • Some participants assert that everything radiates, while others challenge this by citing exceptions like neutrinos and dark matter.
  • There is a question about whether the kinetic energy of an accelerating electron causes it to radiate waves of higher frequency.
  • Some participants argue that the wave-like properties of electrons do not imply that they are radiating, but rather that they exhibit wave behavior under certain conditions.
  • Questions arise regarding the difference between an electron that is accelerating and one that is not, particularly in terms of electromagnetic radiation emission.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between speed, wavelength, and the visibility of wave properties, with some suggesting that increasing velocity makes wave effects less apparent.
  • There is confusion about the distinction between electromagnetic waves and the wave properties associated with particles like electrons, particularly in the context of De Broglie's hypothesis.
  • Some participants seek guidance on foundational physics concepts and appropriate textbooks for further study.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of radiation emitted by accelerating electrons and the implications for their wave-like behavior. There is no consensus on the relationship between acceleration, radiation, and wave properties, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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Participants reference various concepts such as De Broglie's particle-wave duality, electromagnetic radiation, and the relationship between speed and wavelength, but there are unresolved questions about definitions and the implications of these concepts.

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Everything radiates. Then when we accelerate an electron (in the experiment of diffraction of electron to prove wave-particle duality), we say electron behaves as a wave, why can't we say its kinetic energy makes it radiates wave with higher frequency?
When we say the electron behaves like a wave , then the mass of that electron becomes ...energy?

Thank you
 
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Outrageous said:
Everything radiates.

Not true. Certain particles, such as neutrinos, do not radiate that we know of. There's also the case of dark matter, which also does not radiate.

Then when we accelerate an electron (in the experiment of diffraction of electron to prove wave-particle duality), we say electron behaves as a wave, why can't we say its kinetic energy makes it radiates wave with higher frequency?

Because it isn't radiating. When something "radiates" it releases either EM radiation or other particles that 'radiate' out from it. Hence the name "radiation". During the acceleration of the electron it can emit EM radiation, but once it is moving with a steady velocity it no longer radiates. The wave-like properties of an electron, and of all matter, do NOT mean that it is radiating. It only means that it behaves similar to a wave in certain situations.

When we say the electron behaves like a wave , then the mass of that electron becomes ...energy?

Thank you

No, the mass is still plain old mass.
 
Thank you.
So is that the radiation emitted when it is accelerated that makes us said electron behaves like a wave?
To an electron, What is the difference between accelerating and no because one will emit EM ,one will not. I mean how acceleration can emit radiation?
 
Outrageous said:
Thank you.
So is that the radiation emitted when it is accelerated that makes us said electron behaves like a wave?

No. It intrinsically has wavelike properties at all times. See the following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle-wave_duality

To an electron, What is the difference between accelerating and no because one will emit EM ,one will not. I mean how acceleration can emit radiation?

That I don't know.
 
Outrageous said:
One more , is the accelration that emit EM that make the wave property more obvious to us?

No. The acceleration has nothing to do with it. Nor does the EM radiation emitted during acceleration.
 
Is the speed matter.
^^ really thank you
 
Outrageous said:
Is the speed matter.

What?
 
Wrong ?
λ= h/(mv)
So only the v ( I don't know here is speed or velocity) that makes the wave property more obvious to us.
 
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Outrageous said:
Wrong ?

No, I just had no idea what you were asking. Please try to use correct English.

λ= h/(mv)
So only the v ( I don't know here is speed or velocity) that makes the wave property more obvious to us.

Actually no, increasing the velocity makes the wavelength shorter and makes it more difficult to see the effects. The same thing happens when you increase the mass of the particle. Electrons, being lighter in mass than protons, are easier to use for experiments such as the double slit.
 
  • #11
I am sorry.

Do you mean that the shorter the wavelength , the smaller the deflection angle , and then it will not form rings ( in the electron deflection experiment) instead it will form continuous spectrum there?
 
  • #12
Outrageous said:
Wrong ?
λ= h/(mv)
So only the v ( I don't know here is speed or velocity) that makes the wave property more obvious to us.

You may be confusing the De Broglie wavelength associated with the momentum of a Quantum particle and Electromagnetic Wavelength. I don't know your level of knowledge about these topics but there isn't a reliable 'quick way in' to understanding this stuff. Start somewhere nearer the beginning, I'd suggest.
 
  • #13
Can you please guide me? Any books recommend ?
I only know that the electron diffraction experiment prove λ=h/p is correct.
But if want to derive the formula suppose the electron should be in light speed, yet the experiment prove that this formula is correct even it is not light speed.
Do you mean I should learn to understand how to derive Planck constant out first or relativistic momentum? Haisenberg uncertainty?
Where should I start?
 
  • #14
You should start at the beginning of a University level Physics textbook (take your choice) and work through to where you want to go. You cannot expect to get much sense out of this if you want to start half way through. You are asking such an open ended set of questions that a satisfactory answer seems impossible, imo.
 
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I am now first year taking modern physics, any good book recommend ?
 
  • #16
You have confused electromagnetic wave with electron wave. Any accelerating charge radiates electromagnetic waves. As electron is charged, it also emits EM wave when accelerated (and also when changing energy levels inside atom). This however has nothing to do with electron being a wave per De Brogli's particle-wave duality.
According to De Brogli, every particle is also a wave, not only electron.
As sophiecentaur suggested, you should start with some good entry level physics textbook. Here on this site you have excellent forum for good textbooks recomenbations:
https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=151
 
  • #17
Thank you ^^
 

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