Why won't a magnet slow down when falling through a copper coil?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of a magnet falling through a copper coil and why it does not slow down significantly. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of this scenario, including the effects of eddy currents and the configuration of the coil.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the eddy currents generated in the copper coil are too weak to counteract the weight of the falling magnet.
  • Others argue that the orientation of the magnet as it falls affects the formation of eddy currents, noting that the poles of the magnet face the walls of the coil, which may limit the current loops that can form.
  • One participant proposes that the insulation on the wire of the coil prevents large eddy currents from forming, as only currents that fit within the width of the wire can develop.
  • There is a suggestion to conduct the experiment with multiple coils arranged differently to observe potential changes in the effect.
  • Some participants reference classroom demonstrations using copper pipes, indicating that these may provide a more pronounced effect compared to coils.
  • A later reply mentions the need to consider the dimensions of the coil in relation to the pipe to achieve similar effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of the copper coil compared to a copper pipe, with no consensus on the primary reasons for the observed behavior of the magnet. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal configuration for maximizing the slowing effect.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions about the configurations of the coil and the magnet, as well as the influence of insulation on current formation. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or the implications of different experimental setups.

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Please watch this video (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-A3RryOC8) for reference.

As you can see, the magnet does not slow down (at least, not appreciably) when falling through the copper coiled around a PVC pipe, and I can't figure out why.
 
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Because the eddy currrents are too weak for the weight of the magnet.

Try sliding a very strong magnet along a thick piece of copper or aluminum. This will always show the effect.
 
1. it does
... but as you notice, not by much.

The video is a good example of how not to do this demonstration.
You should have a go doing it yourself.

Off the top of my head...

Notice how the magnet is oriented as it falls through the copper pipe?
The poles are face-on to the walls. The eddy currents form circles about the poles ... the wires in the coil, being turned horizontally, won't let that happen.

Since the coils prevent (big) eddy-currents from forming (no sideways loops) so you only get resistance as the magnetic flux in the coil changes - that is when the magnet enters and leaves the coil. While the magnet is entirely within the coil, the magnetic flux inside the coil is not changing (much/enough) - so no opposing field.

Repeat the experiment with rows of coils down each side of the PVC tube - oriented so the open ends face to tube.
 
UltrafastPED said:
Try sliding a very strong magnet along a thick piece of copper or aluminum. This will always show the effect.

Or through a copper or aluminum pipe. That's how we do it in a classroom demonstration.
 
jtbell said:
Or through a copper or aluminum pipe. That's how we do it in a classroom demonstration.
... which is also how they did it in the video, where the demonstration has a pretty substantial copper coil too... presumably it is possible to have the same length and thickness of copper coil as copper pipe, but the pipe is substantially better at slowing the magnets than the coil.
This, I believe, is the essence of the question.

We could rephrase and ask how big the coil would have to be to have the same effect as a given copper pipe of given dimensions?

I'm saying that the insulation on the wire is preventing large eddy currents from forming - since that would involve currents passing through the insulation. Only currents that fit inside the width of the wire will form.

Presumably the effect would be bigger if the tube were small enough to keep the magnet oriented N-S up-down all the time.
 

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