Work energy theorem vs Newton's 2nd law and kinematics

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The discussion revolves around the comparative ease of using the work-energy theorem versus Newton's second law and kinematics when dealing with velocity and/or position-dependent forces acting on an object. Participants explore the contexts in which one approach may be more advantageous than the other, focusing on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the work-energy theorem may be easier to use when time is not a factor, as it focuses on energy states rather than motion over time.
  • Others argue that if the question involves explicit time measurements, such as determining the velocity at a specific moment, Newton's second law and kinematics become necessary.
  • A participant notes that the work-energy theorem provides information only about the initial and final states of motion, which may limit its applicability in certain scenarios.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that the work-energy theorem involves scalar quantities, which some participants find simpler to handle compared to vector quantities used in kinematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the contexts in which each approach is preferable, indicating that there is no consensus on which method is universally easier. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall advantages of each method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the effectiveness of each approach may depend on specific problem conditions, such as the presence of time constraints and the nature of the forces involved. Limitations regarding the applicability of the work-energy theorem in intermediate states are also noted.

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So i have this general question.
When the situation arises in which there are velocity and/or position depended forces acting on an object, would it be generally easier to use the work energy theorem or Newton's 2nd law & kinematics in predicting the motion? My guts tell me it will be work energy theorem but I cannot figure out good reasons. Any reasons why work energy theorem will be easier in this situation?
 
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Hi
My rough thought is as follows.

If your question is NOT explicitly on time, i.e.
-What's the maximum height of the thrown up ball?
-What's the velocity of ball in height h?
Energy conservation law is useful.

If your question is explicitly on time, i.e.
-What's the velocity of ball 1 second after?
-What's the time for ball to reach maximum height?
Equation of motion is necessary.

I hope there's something helpful for you in it.
Regards.
 
Mola said:
So i have this general question.
When the situation arises in which there are velocity and/or position depended forces acting on an object, would it be generally easier to use the work energy theorem or Newton's 2nd law & kinematics in predicting the motion? My guts tell me it will be work energy theorem but I cannot figure out good reasons. Any reasons why work energy theorem will be easier in this situation?


Motion = change in position over time.
Velocity = change in position over time.

Acceleration = change in velocity over time.

Jolt, surge = change in acceleration over time.


Kinematics = branch of physics that describes motion.



Newton's 2nd law & Kinematics equations
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1.) a= F / m (change in acceleration)

2.) v= u + a * delta-time (change in velocity)

3.) position+= v * delta-time (change in position)

4.) GOTO 1.)

Done.



Work-energy theorem
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1.) W= F * d

2.) F = ?? / ??

3.) position = ?? / F

acceleration? velocity?
 
Mola said:
So i have this general question.
When the situation arises in which there are velocity and/or position depended forces acting on an object, would it be generally easier to use the work energy theorem or Newton's 2nd law & kinematics in predicting the motion? My guts tell me it will be work energy theorem but I cannot figure out good reasons. Any reasons why work energy theorem will be easier in this situation?

The Energy approach is typically always easier. The only problem is that it only tells you what is happening at two points (1 and 2) and nothing about what happened in between those two points.

So as long as you only care about the initial and final states the Energy approach will be the easiest normally.

CS
 
Ok, so I'll say Work Energy Theorem(W.E.Th) might be easier if -

*We do NOT have to deal with time.
*We know info(velocity and energy) about the starting and ending point of the object's motion.
*I also thought W.E.Th will be easier since it only involves scalar multiplication. Scalars are easier to deal with than vectors.
 

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