World's record for highest freq photon ever seen, nature or lab?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the highest frequency photon ever observed, exploring both natural occurrences and laboratory-generated photons. Participants examine theoretical implications, potential sources of high-energy photons, and the challenges in detecting them, particularly in relation to gamma rays from the center of the Milky Way galaxy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the maximum frequency of photons, suggesting that high-energy gamma rays could originate near supermassive black holes.
  • Another participant cites the "oh my god particle" as the highest energy particle observed, proposing a frequency of about 5E35 Hz, but notes uncertainty regarding its nature as a proton rather than a photon.
  • A different participant provides a reference to 12 TeV photons, indicating a lack of records for higher energy photons.
  • Concerns are raised about the detectability of high-energy gamma rays from the galactic center due to potential interactions with interstellar atoms, leading to pair production.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the highest energy particle observed, with some asserting it was a proton while others focus on photon energies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the highest frequency photon and the implications of interstellar interactions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about photon interactions in interstellar space and the definitions of particles versus photons, which remain unresolved.

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Hi all,

What is the highest frequency photon ever seen, whether in nature or the lab? This is based on an earlier post of mine, but I think has merit as its own post. Since E=hf, there is no maximum freq or energy of a photon, it seems, on a max freq of a photon.

It seems that such high powered gamma rays could be generated near the supermassive black hole our hole galaxy orbits.

What is the highest freq photon that can be generated at the center of our galaxy?

But, since the center of our galaxy is 30,000 light years away, we wouldn't see such gamma rays because the probability of them hitting an atom in interstellar space is too high, and such gamma rays would pair produce. Is this reasoning correct?

Given the probability of hitting an interstellar atom (or a chain of them), what is the highest energy photon we could reasonably expect to detect on Earth?
 
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I think the highest energy particle we have ever seen was the "oh my god particle", which had an energy of 3E20 eV, which would be a frequency of about 5E35 Hz. While it is not known for certain, it seems likely that these high energy gamma rays are generated in active galactic nuclei (AGN's). Our own galactic nucleus is probably to quiet to generate these particles.
 
But that particle is belived to have been a proton not a photon.
 
glappkaeft said:
But that particle is belived to have been a proton not a photon.

You're right. My mistake. I can't find a record of photon energies higher than the TeV energy photons PAllen referred to.
 

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