Write the expression for the infinitesimal radial inertal force dfr look at pic

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The discussion revolves around deriving the expression for the infinitesimal radial inertial force \( dF_r \) in the context of a non-uniform rigid disc with variable density dependent on the radial position. The participants are examining the implications of the density function and how it affects the mass element \( dm \) and the forces acting on the disc.

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  • Participants are discussing the formulation of the mass element \( dm \) in relation to the density function \( \rho(r) \) and the volume element \( dV \). There are questions about whether to express \( dm \) as a function of density changes or to treat density as constant within the infinitesimal volume. The relationship between radial position and angular position is also being explored.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulation for \( dm \) and how to incorporate the variable density into the calculations. Some participants are providing clarifications on the definitions and implications of infinitesimal elements, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding density and volume elements.

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Participants are considering the geometry of the disc and the implications of integrating over different dimensions. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the best approach to define the mass element and the associated forces, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

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Write the expression for the infinitesimal radial inertal force dfr "look at pic"

Consider the non-uniform rigid disc of Figure 1. The density of the material is variable and depends
on the radial position: p = p (r). Its analytical expression is
p=po+p(1)
and where Po and P(1) are known and constants. Note that the density changes only with the radial coordinate:
for a given r changing θ does not affect the density. It should he observed that equation 1 implies that at
the center of the disk (r = O) the density presents its minimum value (p = Po) and for r = R the density
reaches the maximum value (p = po + P1 R)
The radius of the disc is R and its uniform thickness is h. The generalized coordinate is represented by
the angle θ (see Figure 1). The disc can only rotate with respect to G and the translation is not allowed. The
effects of the gravitational forces are not considered (the disc is supposed to rotate in a horizontal plane).
The angular acceleration dθ and the angular velocity d^2θ are supposed to be non-zero quantities. The generic infinitesimal element of disc is identified by the radial coordinate r (note that 0<r< R) and angular
position θ (note that O<θ< 2∏). The infinitesimal element of disc has mass dm and is subjected to the
infinitesimal radial inertial force dFr and the infinitesimal tangential inertial force dFθ

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f=ma

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f=ma >>> df(r)=dm*a(r)
a(r)= r"-r(θ')^2
dm=dr*dθ*h*d(rho)
∴ dfr=(-r(θ')^2)(dm)

is this correct based on the question, my English is not so good so I am not sure if i am answering what the problem is asking.
Also on the dm part I understand that infinitesimal is just a tiny piece of the disk so to find the mass i would need a change in radius a change in angle since the high states constant i leave h but since the mass changes i do d(rho)/dr since it changes with the radius but if i put it in my dm equation i would get something like this

dm=dr*dθ*h*d(rho)/dr >>>> dm=dθ*h*d(rho) ? is this right?
 

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dm=dr*dθ*h*d(rho)

##d\rho## ?

if you have ##\rho(r)## then ##dm = \rho(r)dV## (density times volume right?)
the volume element has height ##h##, length ##dr##, and width ##r.d\theta## so ##dV = h.r.dr.d\theta##
 


hmm yes i get most of your explanation but where I am confuse is, since the density changes with the radius i thought the way to write the infinitesimal part

dm=dρ*dV where dp implies that there is an infinitesimal change in density too
dV=h.r.dr.dθ

or should i write it your way

dm=ρ(r)dV Where it says that ρ is a function of the radius?
dV=h.r.dr.dθ

thank you
 


dm=dρ*dV where dp implies that there is an infinitesimal change in density too
But there isn't one ... dm is the amount of mass in a volume element so small that the density is a constant inside it. One of the consequences of what "infinitesimal" means.

Your are constructing the integral by noting that at position (r,θ) there is an infinitesimal volume dV which contains a mass dm ... the same position has a volume mass-density of ρ(r,θ) (which you are given).

The other thing you needed to look at is how you worked out the volume element ... the arc length at radius r width dθ is rdθ.

There is a lot of freedom in constructing these ... you could decide to divide the disk into rings radius r and thickness dr ... then dV=2πr.dr ... or you could decide to integrate over the height as well, so dV=r.dr.dθ.dz ... and z is integrated from 0 to h. The choice is about how much of a shortcut you want to take at the start... often dictated by the geometry - for instance, in this case you probably wouldn't divide the disk into infinitesimal wedges (dV=R2h.dθ/2) since the density varies with radius, but if the density was a function of θ then that would make sense.
 

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