Writing the charge density in the form of the Dirac delta function

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The discussion revolves around expressing charge distributions using Dirac delta functions, specifically for a circular disc and a rectangle in the xy-plane. The original poster seeks clarification on how to correctly formulate the charge density for a rectangular distribution, drawing parallels to a known formula for a circular disc.

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  • Participants explore different formulations of charge density using Dirac delta functions and Heaviside functions. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the generalized charge density and the implications of the defined surfaces in relation to the charge distribution.

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Some participants provide insights into the mathematical formulation of charge density, referencing a general formula involving scalar fields. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the meaning of specific terms and the conditions under which the charge density is defined, with no explicit consensus reached on the best approach.

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There are references to constraints regarding the geometry of the charge distributions, such as the rectangular confinement and the implications of the charge density being defined on specific surfaces in the xy-plane.

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Homework Statement
Given a square with side length ##a## and a surface charge of ##\sigma## for ##y>0## and ##\epsilon \sigma## for ##y<0##, write down the charge density ##\rho(\vec{x})## in terms of the dirac delta function.
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##\rho(\vec{x})=\sigma \cdot...##
Hey guys! Sorry if this is a stupid question but I'm having some trouble to express this charge distribution as dirac delta functions.
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I know that the charge distribution of a circular disc in the ##x-y##-plane with radius ##a## and charge ##q## is given by $$\rho(r,\theta)=qC_a \delta(\theta-\pi/2)\delta(r-a)$$ (with ##C_a## being a fitting constant). Based on this I've tried to write down the charge distribution of the rectangle as follows: $$\rho(\vec{x})=C\sigma(\delta(x-a/2)+\delta(y-a/2)+\epsilon \delta(x-a/2)+\epsilon \delta(y+a/2))$$ (With ##C## and ##C_{\epsilon}## being fitting constants)

I do not know though if this is a correct way to write it down or if I have to approach it in some other way. It would be awesome if anyone could give me some strategy on how to think about problems like this. Thank you!
 
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First write down the definition of your ##xy##-plane in the form ##\Phi(\vec{x})=0##. Then think again about how the generalized charge density must look!
 
vanhees71 said:
First write down the definition of your ##xy##-plane in the form ##\Phi(\vec{x})=0##. Then think again about how the generalized charge density must look!
Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply! I think I'm not quite sure what you mean with ##\Phi(\vec{x})=0##, do you mean the electric potential or some plane equation (that would be ##z=0## for the ##xy##-plane I guess). I also thought about writing the charge density in combination with the heaviside function. For example: $$\rho=C\sigma\delta(z)\theta(a/2-|x|)\theta(a/2-y)+...$$ Would a approach like this make sense in this problem?
 
I had the general formula
$$\rho(\vec{x})=\sigma(\vec{x}) |\vec{\nabla} \Phi(\vec{x})| \delta[\Phi(\vec{x})]$$
in mind. In your case ##\Phi(\vec{x})=z##, ##|\vec{\nabla} \Phi|=|\vec{e}_z|=1##.
 
vanhees71 said:
I had the general formula
$$\rho(\vec{x})=\sigma(\vec{x}) |\vec{\nabla} \Phi(\vec{x})| \delta[\Phi(\vec{x})]$$
in mind. In your case ##\Phi(\vec{x})=z##, ##|\vec{\nabla} \Phi|=|\vec{e}_z|=1##.
Oh, thank you, I was not familiar with this general formula. Are there maybe any references to it in some books or online so I can look it up?

But to the problem: So, it looks like the charge density reduces in my case to: $$\rho=\sigma\delta(z)$$ Which, I think, refers to a surface charge placed in the ##xy## plane. So does the confinement of the surface charge to the rectangle only happen by constraining ##-a/2<x<a/2## and ##-a/2<y<a/2##? Thanks again for your patience!
 
I don't know, from where I got this formula, but it's not too difficult to prove. Given is the scalar field ##\Phi(\vec{x})##, defined in a neighborhood of the surface, which is defined implicitly by ##\Phi(\vec{x})=0##. Now we define iso-##\Phi## surfaces by parameters ##(q_1,q_2,q_3)## in such a way that ##\Phi[\vec{x}(q_1,q_2,q_3)]=q_3##. Thus these surfaces are parametrized by ##q_1## and ##q_2## and the surface is determined by the value of ##q_3## (in an intervall containing ##q_3=0##).

Now it's clear that ##\partial_{q_1} \vec{x}## and ##\partial_{q_2} \vec{x}## span the tangent surfaces on the ##\Phi=\text{const}## surfaces and ##\vec{\nabla} \Phi## is always perpendicular to these tangent surfaces and ##\partial_{q_3} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi=1##. Let ##\vec{n}## denote the unit normal vectors at the surface such that ##\vec{n} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi=|\vec{\nabla} \Phi|##.

Now we calculate the charge within some volume element containing part of the surface ##\Phi=q_3=0## in its interior using ##\rho(\vec{x})=\sigma|\vec{\nabla} \Phi| \delta(\Phi)## as charge density, defined by the parameters ##(q_1,q_2,q_3) \in D \subseteq \mathbb{R}^3##:
$$Q_V = \int_D \mathrm{d}^3 q (\partial_{q_3} \vec{x}) \cdot (\partial_{q_1} \vec{x} \times \partial_{q_2} \vec{x}) |\vec{\nabla} \Phi| \delta(q_3) \sigma$$
$$= \int_D \mathrm{d}^3 q |\partial_{q_1} \vec{x} \times \partial_{q_2} \vec{x}| (\partial_{q_3} \vec{x}) \cdot \vec{n} |\vec{\nabla} \Phi| \delta(q_3) \sigma$$
$$= \int_D \mathrm{d}^3 q |\partial_{q_1} \vec{x} \times \partial_{q_2} \vec{x}| (\partial_{q_3} \vec{x}) \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi \delta(q_3) \sigma $$
$$= \int_D \mathrm{d} q_3 \mathrm{d}^2 f \sigma \delta(q_3)=\int_F \mathrm{d}^2 f \sigma,$$
where ##F## is the surface defined by ##q_3=\Phi(\vec{x})=0##. This shows that the above defined ##\rho## is equivalent to a surface-charge density ##\sigma##.

Obviously the surface density ##\sigma(\vec{x})## needs only be defined along the surface and is given by your problem in #1.
 
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