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The discussion centers on calculating partial derivatives in polar coordinates, specifically focusing on the expression for y = r sin(θ) and its time derivatives. The user attempts to find ∂r'/∂y' and initially concludes it to be 1/sin(θ), which is incorrect. The correct approach involves applying the chain rule for derivatives, where dy/dt is expressed as a function of both r and θ, leading to a more complex relationship involving multiple partial derivatives. The user also clarifies that the primes indicate time derivatives, which is crucial for understanding the context of the problem.

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In polar coords: y = rsin([tex]\theta[/tex])
y' = dy/dt = r'sin([tex]\theta[/tex]) + rcos([tex]\theta[/tex]) [tex]\theta[/tex]'

If I want [tex]\partial r' / \partial y'[/tex] can I just solve for r' and take the derivative of y'?

so

[tex]\partial r' / \partial y' = 1 / sin \theta[/tex]

I am hoping this is incorrect because I am getting the wrong answer on another part of a problem...

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Starting with y = r sin([itex]\theta[/itex]),
[itex]\partial y/\partial r = \partial (r sin(\theta)) = sin(\theta)[/itex]

So [itex]\partial r/\partial y = 1/sin(\theta)[/itex]

Why do you have the primes on your partial derivative? I'm pretty sure that's an oversight on your part.

If you're trying to calculate dy/dt, and y is a function of both r and [itex]\theta[/itex], and r and [itex]\theta[/itex] are functions of t alone, then
dy/dt = [itex]\partial y/\partial r * dr/dt + \partial y/\partial \theta * d \theta/dt[/itex]
 


Thanks for your reply,

The primes actually are indicating time derivatives, let me expand upon my question

I'm actually trying to do the following

[tex]\frac{\partial L}{\partial y'} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial r} \frac{\partial r}{\partial y'} + \frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta} \frac{\partial \theta}{ \partial y'}+ \frac{\partial L }{\partial r'} \frac{\partial r'}{\partial y'} + \frac{\partial L}{\partial \theta '} \frac{\partial \theta '}{\partial \y '}[/tex]

I am having a hard time find the various partial derivs with respect to y' (or maybe I'm not).

L is actually L = T-U where T = KE = 1/2 m (x'^2 + y'^2) and U doesn't matter in this case
so in other words, y' and x' are the velocities in y and x.

where of course
x = rcos(theta)
y = rsin(theta)
 
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