Wronskian of Bessel Functions of non-integral order v, -v

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The discussion centers on the Wronskian of Bessel functions of non-integral order, specifically the relationship expressed in the equation J_v(x) J'_{-v}(x) - J'_v(x) J_{-v}(x) = -\frac{2 \sin v \pi}{\pi x}. Participants explore the derivation of this identity, the implications of using power series expansions, and the nature of the constant C in the context of Bessel functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the computation of the constant C is inexact due to potential error terms from higher powers of x in the power series expansion of Bessel functions.
  • Another participant argues that if two power series are equal for all x, their coefficients must match at all orders, suggesting that the identity is exact and not an approximation.
  • A different participant asserts that the equation is an identity for any variable x and any order v, reinforcing the idea that C is constant.
  • One participant expresses understanding of the discussion and mentions their course context, indicating a mathematical methods course for physicists.

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Participants express differing views on whether the derivation involves approximations or is an exact identity. Some assert it is exact, while others raise concerns about potential inexactness in the computation of C.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the implications of higher order terms in the power series expansion and their effect on the identity presented.

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My textbook states

[tex] J_v(x) J'_{-v}(x) - J'_v(x) J_{-v}(x) = -\frac{2 \sin v \pi}{\pi x}[/tex]

My textbook derives this by showing that

[tex] J_v(x) J'_{-v}(x) - J'_v(x) J_{-v}(x) = \frac{C}{x}[/tex]

where C is a constant. C is then ascertained by taking x to be very small and using only the first order of the power series expansion for Bessel functions. Does this mean that this computation for C is inexact? It seems that there should be some error terms in there from higher powers of x, or am I missing something?

By the way, I'm using Arfken/Weber and N.N. Lebedev as my guide here.

Thanks for any help.

Edit: Perhaps this would have been better in the differential equations section?
 
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No it doesn't sound like an approximation.

If you have two power series that are equal for all x (in some interval), then their coefficients have to be equal at all orders. Strictly speaking these aren't power series since there is a term of order -1 but that doesn't change the fact that the coefficients on the right side have to match the coefficients on the left side. On the right side, C is the lowest order coefficient. So if you calculate the lowest order coefficient on the left side, it has to be equal to C.

The fact that the right side has only the one term C/x means that all the higher order terms cancel each other out on the left side.
 
What math course is this? Just wondering
 
[tex]J_v(x) J'_{-v}(x) - J'_v(x) J_{-v}(x) = -\frac{2 \sin v \pi}{\pi x}[/tex]
is not an approximate. It is an identity for any variable x and any order v

Considering a constant order v, then [tex]C=-\frac{2 \sin v \pi}{\pi}[/tex] is constant. hence [tex]J_v(x) J'_{-v}(x) - J'_v(x) J_{-v}(x) = \frac{C}{x}[/tex]
 
I think I understand! Thank you for your explanations.

Pierce: This is my mathematical methods for physicists course.
 

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